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    Old 01-28-2006, 09:50 AM   #46
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    PLEASE READ THIS, CURIOUSKITTY. THIS HAS SOME POTENTIAL ANSWERS IN IT. WHO KNOWS. YOU MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHONY.

    It sounds like there are a lot of emotional links in what you're describing, curiouskitty... like you can look back through your life and find those relationships, to how you feel now from what you lived earlier.

    You also strike me as someone who's looking for acceptance and want it with a group that counteracts the group you didn't find acceptance with (pardon me but this is what screams from these posts) now you're looking for a seemingly typically "weird" group of individuals to relate to. I'm sorry but I find this rather offensive. I'm not angry or anything... but what is anger anyway but a reflection of a softer emotion, like hurt or sadness, linked with frustration and lack of coping skills?)

    Like I said earlier, you remind me a lot of a friend I have with OCD. She becomes completely obsessed with a new something every once in awhile. For a long time, she was obsessed with Italian history and suddenly, after telling us she was part French, she changed her mind and said she was now Italian and, furthermore, that her father was with the Mafia. Then suddenly, that just disappeared and she never spoke of it again. It's something new all the time. (Okay. this is why I'm not angry. Because although she's perfectly aware of what she's doing, she can't really help it... I guess. So I can't be angry)

    Whatever.. the point is, people with schizophrenia tend not to have any idea there is anything wrong with them. Schizophrenia is the last thing we'd ever think of when we're first manifesting symptoms or when sick. When I'm sick, life is beautiful. I'm enlightened, I'm linking to the Great Consciousness, I'm part of various plots (for example, I control the weather, my thoughts ARE being broadcast to Fox Netwok, that sort of thing. I didn't become INTERESTED in these things and be obsessed, I HONESTLY, CERTAINLY, TOTALLY believed them. It was a total skew of perception that was so all encompassing, it was too big for me to see around. For you see, perception is EVERYTHING in the whole universe as far as a percieving being is concerned. As far as my perception is concerned, the world stops when I close my eyes (of course, this is something of a fallacy but I'm just making a point about conscious perception)

    Yes. You may have social problems. You may have a lot of thoughts going on at once. But this isn't indicative of sz on it's own, okay? Schizophrenia isn't that much of an umbrella term. It's pretty specific. And the fulcrum of the diagnosis are the psychotic symptoms in combination with negative symptoms. That's when a diagnosis can be nailed. Yes, many of us can show negative symptoms when we're not in full blown psychosis but they're quite different even to what you're describing. The only thing that is even close to such a thing is your social phobias and that sounds a lot more like you're just plain tired of human beings than anything.

    Okay.. Let's try this. For example, my lack of mental blocks in my own mind is what makes me ill. Your overabundance of these mental blocks is what makes you ill. They're polar opposites.

    Don't stress out about this. Its obvious you're not in any kind of psychotic state right now and from what you've described, you've never been. Again, I can't say. It's a freakin' message board!! SEE A DOCTOR IF YOU'RE CONCERNED. We're not physicians.

    Finally, have you ever heard of the whole Common denominator thing? If making a claim or considering a state of things that EVERYONE disagrees with, you, in this situation, are the common denominator. And as such, perhaps it's not everyone else that's wrong... Just perhaps. That's what my intelligence tells me.

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    Old 01-28-2006, 09:52 AM   #47
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Mods, if that was too much, I apologize. But he wanted honesty, right? I was being as honest as I could.

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    Old 01-28-2006, 09:56 AM   #48
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Also, not to rehash the old intelligence issue. IQ tests aren't really indicative of everything. What about an illiterate genius?? What about an idiot savant?? What about people who learn differently or have learning disabilities?? I know a man who has a severe learning disability but is (no offense, anyone) more brilliant than all of us put together. (Not to be offensive. But this guy is LITERALLY a GENIUS

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    Old 01-28-2006, 11:13 AM   #49
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    I'd like to add that, being psychotic is not a nice experience. Only after taking meds and realising things that I thought and experienced which were not real and how I behaved, is awful. thinking I wasn't ill and it was everyone against me is dreadful and now realising it was all in my head. Its not nice having to face these things and admit even to myself I was ill.

    Having a mental illness is the last thing I would ever want. People treat you differently. If you have a physical disability people can see your illness, but not with mental illness and there is so much on TV which is wrong and gives people the wrong impression.

    Kitty, you keep trying to get people to say you have this illness. You won't go to a doctor, so what else is there? You;re just going to go over and over and end up at the same place - NO WHERE.

    If you won't go see a doctor then you wont get any help.

     
    Old 01-28-2006, 12:51 PM   #50
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

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    Sorry.. I read posts and replied too fast.

    Okay. Here's the thing. There are several kinds of digressional thinking. The fact that you recognize yourself doing it at all makes you an unlikely candidate for sz. Also, the kind of "tangential" thinking you're describing isn't quite the same thing. What you describe as tangential, I see as staying on topic better than most.

    And SuchGreatHeight. I understood what you said. That there is no correlation doesn't necessarily mean that there is no examples of the two existing together. Totally different things.

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    I believe that you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying, what he's saying, or what exactly correlation means. Correlation means that their is an active relationship between two variables - That doesn't determine association or otherwise. The two variables in this case are giftedness and schizophrenia; With that, there is a statistical relationship - meaning that within the gifted population the incidence is higher for schizophrenia - meaning that their is a relationship. By saying that there is no correlation means that their is no relationship between the two is false. The two are interchangeable(Talking about a statistical relationship). But - examples are another thing and I don't believe I got into the two coexisting in the individual negating your statement[which I'm taking from pea-body's post I said something along those alines].

    But thanks peabody - I've always contemplated that possibility. It was a sort of mental juggling act between the two - Mental disorders and just simple weirdness and yearning for acceptance(and likewise behaviors suggesting this - I.E., posting on here when in essence, was just deeply wanting validation) always bringing up the pros and cons suggesting this or that, deducing what things can be explained by whichever plausible theory - trying to effectively negate any possible theories with a fatal argument(though could never find one - The plausible theory always came back to life after being cir***vented by a collolary that allowed it's existance - It's fatal flaw was only temporary.) - while doing all of this It seems I'm obsessed with it. I understand that - but I think my existance and my modus operandi is to simply obsess over theories and deductions - And my own mental health became the target of this constant inquiring, theorizing, deducing, synthesizing, etc. etc.

    And I know that IQ tests are not ALL that and high IQ doesn't nessecarily mean genius. But I think the example that you brought up wasn't particularly effective to helping your point - No where did you say that he wasn't gifted with a high IQ, but rather that he was illiterate. The thing with that though, is that illiteracy is not synonymous with IQ. There's something known as gifted disabilities and also twice exceptional students within the gifted population - Basically it means really smart kids who have certain disabilities(It can exist in any subject or ability - math, writing, reading, etc. etc.) which can make a person look stupid. Now I'm not suggesting that the "genius" you brought is a part of this crowd, but the possibility of it negates whatever you're trying to argue. Also - He could be very wise and have much knowledge in a certain skill area that makes him appear like a a genius - and that's when you have to become context-specific. He may be a 'genius' at certain things(Working with mechanical things[cars], giving life advice, multiplying, etc.), but the label of genius implies more generality than that. Again, I'm not saying that this is his case - but it is a possibility that negates your argument. Could you clarify by what mean by 'genius'?

    And on the subject of the common denominator - Yes, I've heard of it.(I've also heard of common denominator of falsity - the blind leading the blind... eh? But I'm not going to bring that point up. :P) But realize I'm not trying to convince everyone that I have schizophrenia. I'm trying to bring up valid arguments that would everybody to make an informed opinion - and since I've brought up pretty much all I have and you guys have pretty much stated and reiterated the same convictions you begin with - I think it's pretty safe to say that schizophrenia exists in the realm of unlikelyhood. But then if it's not that... what is it? Oh the constant cycle of questioning and weighing churns on and on....

    And I think your impressions may be mistakened about me and my choice to come here. I truly believed that I did have schizophrenic tendencies that just begged the diagnosis of schizophrenia and I thought "what better place than a message board about schizophrenia!", not that I needed someone to relate to and that I purposely came here to find the polar opposite of what normal is to almost guarantee acceptance. Although, I could see that inadvertantly is may of been just been finding someone to relate too and finding social acceptance or rather social relating to someone - and that this impetus lead my wonderings eventually to this place - But no, I didn't come here with that explicit reason. It was really the first reason at the beginning of this paragraph - the social acceptance theory is only partly valid from my perception - and the targeting of a polar-opposite group from the norm, being schizophrenia, seems absurd to me. In no way did that cross my mind - Of course, you'll never know that or not so what does it matter?

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    Old 01-28-2006, 01:00 PM   #51
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

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    But then if it's not that... what is it? Oh the constant cycle of questioning and weighing churns on and on....

    If you go see a DOCTOR, you'll find out.

     
    Old 01-28-2006, 01:34 PM   #52
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Oh of course it doesn't MEAN he doesn't have a high IQ or that the two are related at all. But what I mean is that the tests are somewhat culturally biased. That's my point.

     
    Old 01-28-2006, 01:37 PM   #53
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Yes. The blind leading the blind. There is that. But I'd assume most can tell the difference between something like this and everyone jumping off a bridge.

    And I understand what you're saying in your last paragraph. I really, really do. Though you kind of missed my point.

    I'll get into it I will. But I just ate a big sub and the room is spinning! (I was HUNGRY with a capital GRRRR)

     
    Old 01-28-2006, 01:50 PM   #54
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

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    Don't tell me - I'm obsessed?! *sob* *sob*, This isn't obsessive compulsive in nature, is it?
    If you don't show any other signs of anxiety, I highly doubt it. Believe me, if it seemed like something "obsessive-compulsive in nature", I would've responded about the OCD-ness a long, long time ago...There's a big difference between the common use of the word "obsessed" as cloudedmind used it and "obsessed" as in obsessive-compulsive. Believe me, I should know...I agree with cloudedmind, too, that you should just go get a psychiatric evaluation and explain to them why you suspect certain disorders. God bless!
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    Old 01-28-2006, 04:50 PM   #55
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    And yes. I do understand what correlation means. (as I said, I have a BSc. Common word in our world ) I'd actually like to see a recent study about cases of schizophrenia in the intelligent, highly intelligent, etc!! I mean, this is actually kind of cool. It would give me some added dignity about my illness.

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    Old 01-28-2006, 05:39 PM   #56
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    [url]http://www.schizophrenia.co.uk/research/research_articles/research_articles_13.html[/url] - Here's an article that suggests a link, but the research behind it is edgy and not very clear. There's no actual links to the studies and nor is the description very comprehensive. I did see another page detailing studies the link between low intelligence and schizoprenia, and one of the posters responding to the article apparently was a researcher from another university who was investigating links between schizophrenia and other factors(He definitely talked like a researcher, so I wouldn't doubt it -His speech was definitely a lot more complex then mine and almost every single online user I've seen) and stated that their was a link between the highly intelligent(which makes up less then .2 percent of the general population, which is a TINY TINY fraction - this is like people like Albert Einstein and John Nash and Steve Hawking and Mark Twain... and any other geniuses all the way to above >145 IQ(15sd) or above the 3 standard deviations mark) and schizophrenia. He said that schizophrenia is more prevalent at the tails of the bell curve of intelligence - The extremely intelligent and the extremely not-so intelligent.

    Also, What exactly is a BSc? I haven't heard that term before - I'd presume a bachellor's degree but.... yeah know.

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    Old 01-28-2006, 06:50 PM   #57
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Ah. yes. This is the case. The ends of the bell curve.

    (Though to be fair, the way he talks isn't necessarily indicative of his credentials. And psychology is a study that fosters a lot of contradiction and controversy. But I can't say a word before I take a look at this link. )

    It's strange and somewhat surreal knowing one's own IQ. After a long time of not wanting to see it (because high or low, it can give a sense of boundary that might not exist without that kind of knowledge about oneself) I always said "if it's right in front of me and they feel I have something to gain from seeing this, I'll look, but if they tell me that I have to walk across the street (for example) to find out, I couldn't be bothered. I didn't feel I could be in better shape by knowing. Not that I was afriad to know. I was pretty curious, actually. But I just didn't think it was necessary. I think knowing has made me a better person. which sounds a little strange but it really has.

    (I did find out somewhat against my will. SO of course, this story is told somewhat in retrospect.)

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    PS You want to hear some incredible existentialism?? Check out this radio site called wingmakers. Go into the radio section and listen to the track "My Central MEssage" it moved me to tears. This is my central spiritual belief and they've said it beautifully and with wisdom and compassion. As a physics major, people are surprised to learn that I believe in God. But I believe in God the way that this music portrays God. It's a trip. It's worth hearing. When I first went psychotic, this is a perfect example of the feeling of enlightement I had, which I've mentioned... they've personified it. The voice that spoke to me was sexless and it called itself Ghivax. It didn't say God. It said creator. And it spoke like this music speaks. It's worth listening to (Mods am I crossing the line? This is just an opinion. It's worth listening to. Really.)

    Really.

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    Old 01-29-2006, 08:07 AM   #58
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Well... nice one Bill Gates....

    This url is coming up as page not displayed... But as I was saying, if its gained enough momentum to be a theory, there's probably something else out there just as good. I can't stand urls that lead to nowhere...

    (Oh, wasn't it Einstien's son that had schizophrenia? I was reading about that once, in hospital of all places )

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    Old 01-29-2006, 02:53 PM   #59
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    I do know that one of his scions was a schizophrenic, but I'm not sure if it was a boy or a girl. Certainty is only two clicks away though......*thinking hard*

    And oh yeah - there's a definite link between genius and mental illness. During WW2, the germans were deciding whether or not to eliminate all the mentally ill people and their families(for purification of the german race), but decided not to do so because they would be eliminating many of the intellectual's and geniuses of Germany.

    Ummm.. I just tried the link and it worked. I think you have to copy and paste the URL inside the address part of the browser, delete the URL brackets, and then press enter.

     
    Old 01-30-2006, 06:41 AM   #60
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    Re: A review of the chronic question "Do I have schizophrenia?"

    Yes. in my earlier post I agreed that mental illness and intelligence showed a strong relation and I gave my theory as to why. But brain illnesses and intelligence... I just don't see a definite corelation

     
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