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    Old 03-09-2003, 02:12 AM   #1
    Felyne
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    Hello all,
    I have recently had an exray to determine why I am in so much pain with my back. The xray discovered I have an extra Lumbar Vertebra (L6)
    I have tried to find as much information about it via the net but there isn't much and the little there is says I should not suffer pain die to this extra bone in my spine.

    My pain has been gradually getting worse over the past few months. I get numbness in my legs and left foot and this makes walking difficult. The burning sensation at the place where my spine meets my pelvis is horrendous, my shoulders and upper spine are stiff and ache bad.

    I have to visit my Doctor in 7 days to discuss the results of the xray and since they told me at my xray about the extra bone I have been trying to find information to see if there is a possible link between my L6 and this back pain.

    I have found 1 website which has a section about L6 and all of these people discribe symptoms exactly the same as mine yet the Dr's say it should cause NO problems!! I posted asking for advice but so far there has been no reply

    I just want to find out as much as possible about L6 and back pain as I am getting extremely low suffering every day with pain, I have diclofenic and co-droxymol off my Dr which at first seemed to numb the pain but I find it is creeping back slowly...

    I work as a nursing assistant and some days I get home and cannot move for the rest of the evening due to the pain.

    Please if you have any advice let me know as at the moment I feel I have no quality of life.
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    Old 03-09-2003, 02:58 PM   #2
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    Hi Felyne,
    Welcome to this board!

    I'm sorry to read about your awful pain. When I saw your topic "L6" I thought, what in the world is that?!

    If I were you I would request an MRI from your doctor. Sounds like there is a disc problem with all of your symptoms. And in your line of work I know all too well how much lifting you have to do. Just remember to lift with your legs, and keep your tummy TIGHT when you lift. That will help stabilize your spine as you exert pressure on it. It takes a lot of thinking to do it every time, but after a while it will become a good habit.

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    Old 03-10-2003, 12:34 AM   #3
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    It does not appear to me that the L6 you have must per se necessarily lead to problems, am however not sure.

    I found the following information which was mentioned in a lawsuit about L6 however, which might at least help in further understanding what exactly it is:
    "a. The first condition is a "lumbarization" of the S1 vertebra. Ordinarily there are five lumbar vertebrae. Each of these vertebrae are independent boney structures which are connected to the adjacent vertebrae by ligaments. The vertebrae interface at joints where they move or articulate with respect to one another. Movement between the vertebrae is cushioned by intervertebral discs, which act as shock absorbers. In most humans the last lumbar vertebra is the L5. Below it is the sacrum, which consists of vertebrae which are fused together and have no joints or discs. Normally, the L5 is followed by the S1 vertebrae. The S1 in turn is fused to the lower vertebrae which are collectively called the sacrum. In lumbarization, the vertebra which is ordinarily designated S1 is not fused to the next, lower vertebra. There may be one or more joints and a disc between it and the next lower, sacral vertebra. Thus, it is more like a lumber vertebra and is designated L6 rather than S1. In claimant the vertebra is an L6. It has joints on both sides and therefore articulates on both sides. However, the joints are arthritic: they are narrowed and have bone spurs. The disc space between the L6 and the sacrum is narrowed and the disc at that level has atrophied."

    If you wish to read yourself: [url="http://wcc.dli.state.mt.us/Y/YARDE_PS_FFCL.htm"]http://wcc.dli.state.mt.us/Y/YARDE_PS_FFCL.htm[/url]


     
    Old 03-11-2003, 02:50 PM   #4
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    I also have an L6, and have not found out much about it. My doctor discovered it during a discogram . Interestingly enough, I have seen doctors for my back problems for about 10 years and it was just last October that this was discovered.
    My doctor does not think it is the cause of my back problems.
    anybody else out there have this?
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    Old 03-11-2003, 07:18 PM   #5
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    Hi there. I also have an L6. I have suffered from back pain for at least ten years. No one bothered to tell me about the L6 until last November when my neurosurgeon mentioned it. He also didn't think it was the cause of my numerous back problems and "clumsy accidents." I know better. My regular doctor says I'm just accident prone but I've suspected for years it has something to do with my back. I herniated a disc at the L5-L6 and had a microdiscectomy 2/28/03. While I was in the hospital the P.A. told me that having the L6 can cause plenty of back problems and he recommended I wear a back brace in the future whenever I plan to be doing a lot of lifting and bending. Such as gardening, housework, etc. I hope this helps.

     
    Old 03-11-2003, 07:46 PM   #6
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    Hi Felyne,

    You are one of few who has this addition vertabrae, called L6. If you have not had any back prior injuries, the L6 will not normally cause any problems or pain unless, you have very weak muscles in your back. Most people who have back pain, have weak muscles. It is unfortunate that there isn't more inform about strengthening on's back, with special exercises. As you know, you have a row of muscles on each side of your spine and when they come weak, your back will start giving you many problems and / or pain. Nerves get pinched, vertabrae get crushed, disc splip and so on. In order to keep your back healthy, you should consider seeing a Massage Therapist as he / she will massage you which will strengthen your back and he / she will also help you to properly exercise so that your muscles get stronger and consequently, you will reduce your pain and future problems. I am a Massage Therapist and I help a lot a people with problems such as your. It does not hurt to see a very good one and find out for yourself. With a few sessions, you will feel the difference.

    Hope you feel better soon.

     
    Old 06-27-2003, 08:20 PM   #7
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    Hi , I am new here and new to posting on boards, please forgive me if I ramble on and on.
    I am 29 years old having low back pain on my left side since I was 15. I went to a chiropractor, orthopedic specialist and regular family physician. 1998 My chiropractor took x-rays and found I had tilted pelvis, have an unstable L6 vertebrae (rubs onto other bone), degenerative disc disease, and pinched nerve, and bones not fused. After adjustments over a period of 3 1/2 years he referred me to the orthopedic specialist (2002)in which HE took x-rays and said no surgery was needed (with no other findings nor mentioning of what the chiropractor found). Physical therapy did not work out for me.
    I was not satisfied so I went to my family physician(2002), he ordered an MRI, test results showed: (This is a short version)
    a transitional vertebrae at the lumbosacral junction (called L6 - extra vertebrae).
    L5-6: The intervertabral disc space height it narrowed (spinal stenosis / degenerative disc disease)
    Loss of T2 signal is seen, consistant with disc disiccation. There is a mild bulge/spure. There is hypertrophy of the facets, especially on the left. The ligamentum flavum is mildly prominate. The canal is narrowed and there is some anterior-to-posterior attenuation of the thecal sac.
    Note is made on the sagittal views of some effacement of the epidural fat in the neural foramen at the "L6/S1" level on the left. The nerve root is in contact with an eccentric disc/spur at this site.
    I'm from Indiana, anyone know the English version of this?

    Dr. put me on Bextra and pain killers (Motrin 800mg).
    I have a full time job for 3 years now doing heavy labor work (standing, lifting 10-20+lbs, bending for 10hrs a day.) He did not put me on any restrictions for work, just told me to take pain pills as needed and rest ALOT. When working, the pain will turn into a burning sensation around my left hip and left back pelvic area, legs get weak and shaky. My left leg and foot has constant tingling as if it is asleep.
    I have 2 kids ages 10 and 11 which both have ADHD, whom I want to do things with, but too much pain prevents me from doing anything but sitting or laying down. I used to be able to go walking for fun and exercise, but since the pain gets intense when walking, I have not been able to, so therefore I have put on alot of weight. I do not know where to go from here. I have not been back to the drs. for this in over a year, since the MRI was done. The MRI was in April 2002, surgery will cause me to lose my job, and as for taking pain medications - I do not want to feel drugged up all the time. Any suggestions?

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    Old 06-27-2003, 11:50 PM   #8
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    I, too, have an extra vertebrae. It isn't that uncommon. The extra disc is very small. Your pain most likely is not a result of this extra disc but a problem with one or more of the others. At least that was my case.

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