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    Old 10-19-2004, 10:24 AM   #31
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    Acne is genetic and back acne which is acne on your shoulders is also genetic. I was not able to cure my cystic acne with salycic acid wash and gycolic acid. These lessened the acne outbreaks, there is no cure for acne. I do agree with SW Jade that HFCS is a harmful sugar substitute that is put in vitually every food because it is cheap, much cheaper than cane sugar. We can thank the American Indians for putting us on a corn based diet. Thats why Americans are way overweight.

     
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    Old 10-20-2004, 08:36 AM   #32
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    BTW in on study 50 teenagers with acne at the Univ. of Penn. fed 1 pound of cholate a day each. Result no change in 46, 2 got better and 2 got worse. There is nothing in chocolate to cause acne except guilt

    I don't suppose you've ever taken a statistics class? A sample size of 50 is way too small to be representative of an entire population!

     
    Old 10-20-2004, 10:54 AM   #33
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    that was a nicely racist comment. American Indians eat other grains besides corn, and the reasons AMericans are fat is because they consume alot of fast food and drive everywhere rather than move their lazy asses. American Indians were never fat until we came over here and fed them alchohol. Also we take the corn and make **** from it like the fructose syrup: american indians never consumed corn, or sugar in that fashion.
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    Old 10-20-2004, 01:07 PM   #34
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    I did not mean to be racist. Its just that we wiped them out and they repaid us with tobacco that kills 400,000 per year and corn, which is more of a hog food than human food. So thats karma.

     
    Old 10-20-2004, 01:14 PM   #35
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    I took enough statistics to know that about 1500 random selected persons is significant for a population of 300 million. So 50 is a pretty large sample. Statistically speaking.

     
    Old 10-20-2004, 01:40 PM   #36
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    but we added the stuff to the tobacco that kills people. indians smoked tobacco for hundreds of years and never got lung cancer. blaming indians for cigarette addiction is completely ridiculous, and again, racist. do you blame the chinese people for all the deaths that occur from gunshots since they introduced the world to gunpowder? c'mon now.
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    Old 10-21-2004, 01:30 AM   #37
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    sweetjade, I have mild acne all over my face, my back and even partly my legs.I've been on a diet for quite a long time, (off at the moment, planning to start again soon) with good results but it's been kinda progressing slow so I became impatient and started craving for anything I've been avoiding for the past period and well... then the breakouts came back of course.Forgot to mention, I even have cysts on my scalp really, do you think this could indicate to a hormonal disorder? Whenever I eat a lot of sugar (candies, chocolate) I get cysts on my head, some go away quick, some fade quick, some don't. I'm off topicals now except for just a mild cleanser once a week... LikeI said, I'm going to give this diet another shot, avoiding most of the triggers.I just don't know how to train myself to not reach out for junk whenever craving for it. I'm very determined but still, we are not talking about just eliminating bread or candy, it's a bunch of things one is to avoid in order to clear up acne.

     
    Old 10-21-2004, 05:42 AM   #38
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    Did white people cause the Indian alcoholism?

     
    Old 10-21-2004, 09:27 AM   #39
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    SweetJade,

    I'm continually impressed with the research and work you've done. I'm so glad you're continuing to post on this board and teach what you've learned.

    What advice would you give for someone who is attempting to go on a gluten-free, refined sugar free diet? I've known for ages that sugar and any type of soda are a major culprit to my acne, but I have struggled with gaining the will-power to avoid these foods. You'd think cystic acne would be enough motivation, but I'm one of those people who use food to comfort myself.

    Basically I think I and others are looking for snack ideas and ways to avoid eating naughty foods when you're in a social situation. Meals are something I can easily plan for, but I have yet to find snacks that can tied me over between meals. I usually reach for packaged foods likes chips or crackers or string cheese and pig out on those.

    Finally, would you be willing to share your favorite dinner recipe?

    Do you think you will have a website devoted to what you've learned some day? Or will you save that for your doctoral dissertation?

    Thanks so much!

     
    Old 10-21-2004, 09:44 AM   #40
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    i so agree with the last part, amen!

     
    Old 10-21-2004, 09:58 AM   #41
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    Well, based on food anthropology studies, American Indians contributed the following:

    Corn varities
    Squash
    Bean/Legume
    wild rice
    some nuts
    some peppers
    sweet potatos
    vanilla beans
    sunflower (seeds)


    So despite them having over 300 different types of crops, their grain diet was corn based. Those in the East (I guess Asians) brought more rice varieties, and in Africa millet (gluten-free grain). While wheat originated in Africa, Europeans brought wheat, barley, rye, and oats (gluten grains) to the U.S.. A Western Diet is predominatly wheat based, some form of it is found in over 90% of processed, packaged, frozen foods at our grocery stores. So who would you like to blame again????

    Gluten Grains are Intolerant Rxn foods
    Wheat is high allergen & Intolerant rxn food
    Corn is a high allergen
    Rice is a low allergen

    Furthermore, those at higher risk for developing Type II Diabetes, never originally had a diet that was Gluten Based, let alone filled with Refined Foods. Therefore when foriegners come into the U.S., eventually they develop the same type of diseases that are now amongst the top of our "Preventable Disease" list.

    For example, Caucasians can consume a western diet and will ony be 20% at risk of developing Type II Diabetes. Yet when Native American/American Indan and Mexican Americans consume a Western Diet they'll be 80% at risk of developing Type II Diabetes! Not to mention, this was a disease that didn't exist over 100 years ago, so what could possibly account for it's increasing prevalence, here and even in Europe?

    I'm not too good at defining ethnicities, but American Indian/Native American, Mexican American, African American, Asian American, and Asian Indian/Indian are a greater risk of developing Type II Diabetes. Obvioulsy there's a greater genetic compenent to this, BUT there's also an environmental compentent. The gene-environment interactions are what you see when the rates of preventable health problems increase from consuming a "Western Diet"

    Insulin resistance syndrome in children - 2004
    [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=A bstract&list_uids=15181020[/url]

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    Old 10-21-2004, 10:31 AM   #42
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    The USA is a corn based food system. The byproducts of corn are found in everything and its of course used to feed livestock. Even cans that vegetables are put in are coated with a corn made preservative. Whole states such as Iowa are growing corn, and manufactures like it because its cheap. Like you say corn causes a lot of allergies. Europeans used to live on wheat bread as main diet with some meat.

     
    Old 10-21-2004, 04:14 PM   #43
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    The USA is a corn based food system. The byproducts of corn are found in everything and its of course used to feed livestock. Even cans that vegetables are put in are coated with a corn made preservative. Whole states such as Iowa are growing corn, and manufactures like it because its cheap. Like you say corn causes a lot of allergies. Europeans used to live on wheat bread as main diet with some meat.
    The USA does not have a corn based diet, it's actually more of a "corn LACED" diet because, yes everywhere you look, your packaged food probably has some sort of corn derivative in it, but the same goes for wheat derivatives.

    According to the USDA Economic Research Service in 2002 each person consumed an average of:

    Total Fruits (271.7lbs/year)*

    Total Vegetables (412lbs/year)*

    *Must be due to the vegetarians and vegans


    Total Meat (200.1lbs/year)


    Grains (total 191.3lbs/year):
    Wheat at 136.7lbs per year.

    Corn at 29.7lbs per year

    Rice at 19.2lbs per year


    Caloric Sweetners (total 146.1lbs/year):
    Beets/Cane Sweetner at 63.2lbs per year

    Corn Sweetners at 81.5lbs (HFCS 62.8lbs) per year

    How gross is that???

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    Old 10-21-2004, 07:23 PM   #44
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    PinkGrape & Joe Dude,
    LOL, I read your post yesterday Pinkgrape and it was sooo pumped full of energy. So missing the sugar hasn't hurt you in that respect, huh ;-) Since you both have problems with sugar, one possibility is that it’s a sugar metabolism issue or it could be an internal yeast (candida) issue. I suppose one way of knowing this is if you always breakout from consuming fruits. Sometimes, this would be due to taking antibiotics orally for years and if so, your diet will be very strict and not very fun, for at least one year until you kill of the yeast. Books such as The Yeast Connection, Anti-Candida Diet (if that exists), Body Ecology Diet, and perhaps even Breaking the Vicious Cycle (Specific Carbohydrate Diet) are what you want to follow.

    Otherwise, the questions you asked I hear often and am still in the process of adapting to myself. I definitely think that there is a HUGE misconception that healthy for you food has to suck, but it doesn’t. With so many people out there with allergies & intolerances, and on “diets” they are making “good” tasting foods to suit everyone. If you don't know how to shop or how to cook, it doesn't matter, cuz I'm still learning how too. ;-)

    There's two theories with produce: 2 Vegetables for every 1 Fruit or 2/3 of your diet is composed of vegetables. Choose Fruits that you enjoy and seem to tolerate & Vegatables that are high in fiber, Calcium & other nutrients AND that you enjoy. Somethin is better than nothing so eat produce however you feel comfortable & in order of flavor pick:
    Fresh / Packaged
    Frozen
    Canned


    Meats
    Fresh
    Frozen or Precut
    Prepared or Frozen Seasoned (watch the ingredients)
    Applegate Farms (wasn't fond of their beef hotdogs)
    Wellshire Farms meats & lunchmeats
    Shelton’s Meats & Lunchmeats (tasty, no sugars or nitrites)


    If you're thirsty drink:
    Water, water, water
    Fresh Blended whole fruit juice (so you have the fiber)
    Decaffienated Tea
    Decaffienated Coffee
    Use Xylitol and/or Stevia to sweeten


    If you are used to eating pastas or Ramen
    Go for GF Rice, Buckwheat, Quinoa, and/or Corn Pastas
    Go for (rice) Thai Noodle (box, bowels, packets) - different flavors
    Organic Spaghetti Sauces (w/o sugars..)


    Condiments & Flavorings:
    Add No Sugar Added or Unsweetened Flavorings when bored w/ just water
    Westbrea Naturals Unsweetened Ketchup (ONLY no sugar added ketchup)
    San-J 100% Soy Tamari Soy Sauce (most soy sauces have wheat)
    Seasoning Blends or Marinades (check ingredients)
    Olive Oil
    Grapeseed Oil
    Smart Balance
    Palm Oil or Coconut oil (for cooking)


    Baking?
    Organic Milk or Goats milk
    Rice, Almond, or other Nut Miks (watch the sugar)
    Soy Milk Maker - make your own grain, nut & seed milks
    Natural Applesauce instead of Oil
    GF Flours – Nuts, Seeds, Coconut, Bean/legume, GF Grain Flours


    Snack or Healthy Junk:
    Organic Dark Chocolate (check type of sugar)
    Unsweetened Flavored Applesauce
    Fresh or Frozen Fruit
    Dried Fruit, Bars, & Leathers
    Fresh & Dried Vegetables
    Nuts –
    Seeds – Brazil nuts, sunflower, sesame, pumpkin
    Veggie Crisps
    Corn Chips
    Organic Potato Chips
    Frito Lays Natural Potato Chip Brand
    Rice or Corn Cakes
    Newman’s Own Organic Popcorn (no trans fats)
    Homemade Popcorn either in microwave container or stove & add oils & flavorings after



    Grocer Shopping:
    Natural/Holisitc/Organic/ Healthfood Stores

    Farmers Markets (may be seasonal)

    Buyer’s Club – kinda like the Co-op, more costly, & high purchase minimums

    Co-Ops – these are places or drop sites that offer fresh fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, and sometimes even packaged foods that are priced at a lot less than your regular or natural grocery store. You pay be to be a member and then sign up for a delivery of food every 2 weeks or every month based on the season’s selection. Where I live there’s a co-op about 1 hour away, but I’ll be commuting to school over there so it’ll be worth it. Usually though you should be able to find one nearby (that will deliver), especially if you live in a highly populated or agricultural area. The Members own the Co-op and there’s variety of ways to earn additional savings (% discount, volunteering, etc). It’s a really cool concept that tries to bring back sustainable agriculture in your community. Do a search.


    Oh and as for recipes, LOL, one day I'm sure I'll start on those, but I've realized that if I want something fried, I do it with no flour and sometimes you can't tell a difference. That whenever I buy salads I could have made 4 - 6 of them with meats & fixings at home for the price of that ONE salad! So eating out is convenient, but it's usually not more affordable (unless it's poor quality food).

    Now, all I do when I'm tired is grab some frozen or precut meat (hamburger patties, chicken, fish), season it (w or w/o olive oil), toss in the oven and then spread it over a bed of rice or spinach/romaigne lettuce. Other days I'll grab some vegetables like broccoli, green/string beans, okra, squash, etc and make a stir fry with chicken, shrimp, sausage, or yes....even hotdogs. If I’m really really tired I’ll grab some Hormel Chili or Beef Stew or some canned food that doesn’t have gluten or sugars and eat that.

    When I eat out, I make sure to find out on the resturant/fast food website to know what's gluten free or if they even have an ingredient list. Usually all I'm able to eat at a fastfood place is Tacos or Taquitos (be careful), Fajita meats w/ corn chips insted of flour tortilla, baked chicken, flavored chicken wings, some soups/stews, rice, vegetables, SALADS (w or w/o chicken, salami, turkey, etc), and the occassional Low-Carb (lettuce wrapped) burger/chicken sandwich. If trans fats aren't a huge problem, some places like Burger King & Carls Jr. do have a coating on their fries, but it's Rice flour.

    Also, when I'm out and there's something I want and the product seems suspect I'll ask them to check the ingredients for dairy and wheat/gluten. Usually they end up bringing the package so I can check myself, but there's been one occasion where the boxes didn't have ingredient labels! The one thing you must realize is you can't assume that just because it's chicken, lunchmeat that it doesn't have corn syrup or wheat in it..... Ask them, check online, or read the package before buying it. Yet restuarants don't offer this info so you can follow their low carb and/or Gluten free meals section or, in terms of sugars, just order what you want and take extra fiber, like Glucommanon Fiber Capsules and/or R-ALA to try to prevent a breakout. I don't deny myself restuarant food, I just don't eat out as often as I used to.

    You know you would think that getting a breakout, let alone really STUBBORN cystic ones, would be enough to stop one from eating foods they shouldn’t, but we are not all the same. The more you avoid the harder it gets and unless you are well prepared you may find yourself in a yucky situation. Eventually, you will learn how much sugar & what type you can get away with eating that won't give you cystic breakouts or any breakouts and then hopefully you'll feel more comfortable and will be less likely to give up. Also, this is why you should surround yourself with as much “safe” foods as possible so that even out on the run, you can grab something or you know where it’s somewhat safe to eat out at. So when it comes to Gluten Free substitute foods like brownies, protein bars, waffles, breads, etc, I could give you tons of brands, but it would probably be easier if you guys would share what foods it is that tempt you, as perhaps there’s a healthier version ;-)

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    Old 10-21-2004, 08:49 PM   #45
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    Did white people cause the Indian alcoholism?
    absolutely not. we introduced them to it, and made them more likely to drink since we destroyed their way of life and killed tons of their people thru war and disease, but they make the choice to drink and keep drinking. just because we introduced them to something doesnt mean we are responsible if someone abuses it.
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