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    Old 04-26-2007, 01:24 PM   #31
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    Re: Quit Lipitor - Cholesterol sky high

    Originally Posted by NHone View Post
    The problem is that people think that heart failure is the same as heart disease. It is not. Statins are not beneficial to people with heart failure.
    Very true....when the word HEART comes up in context with a medical problem or issue, people automatically panic and confuse the 2, generally.

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    Originally Posted by NHone View Post
    The problem is that people think that heart failure is the same as heart disease. It is not. Statins are not beneficial to people with heart failure.
    Heart disease is the underlying problem for heart failure (with some exceptions). There shouldn't be any confusion; it may be confusing for some people to distinquish ischemic and non-ischemic heart failure, heart failure means what it says: The heart fails to adequately meet the blood/oxygen demand, and to give it a numerical value, it is a coefficient of less than 30% of blood pumped from the heart's left ventricle with each stroke.

    So the subject is heart failure and a recent huge new study, Oct. 31, 06, taking statins by heart failure patients cuts the risk of death by 24%, and the patient is less likely to be hospitalized. It is postulated it may encourage growth of new blood vessels and reduce vessel inflamation.

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    KenKeith you're right.... I should have explained more. CHF and CAD are not the same thing. They may overlap, but they are different. Maybe in some cases the chicken or the egg? Many people have Heart failure (due to problems with the heart muscle) but their arteries are clean as a whisltle. Why shouldn't people with heart failure be on statins? Because Coq10 is not required to be given with it for one possible explanation. There is a lot more research on Coq10 than people like to admit. You don't allow children to play with fire until they know how to use it properly. Statins are know on some research to impair the diastolic function of the heart. Why hasn't this been brought up? Because people were never tested for this, and none! of the major heart studies accepted people with advanced heart failure. While the report you state is interesting... They said perhaps on the growth of new blood vessels or reducing inflammation. Also a third of the patients died over the 2.4 year trial period. It did state that those who took statins were 24% less likely to die that those that did not take the drugs...but 24% of what number were they using for base and die from what? it does not state that. I assume they meant heart failure. They did warn in the study that their results do not prove statins benefit heart failure patients. Such proof can come only from clinical trials (as stated by them).

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    Originally Posted by flowergirl2day View Post
    I went off Lipitor for 1 week, due to muscle weakness (both calves) and neurological pain in my leg. I was convinced at the time that the drug was responsible for it. However, my specialist did not seem to think so and pointed out that:

    - I was on other medications that list muscle weakness as a possible side effect

    - My cholesterol levels were great after being on the statin for not even two months. The improvement was huge! He strongly recommended I keep taking the drug to reduce the chances of another cardio event.

    - the dose I was on was quite small and would not do much harm (10mg)

    However, I don't think that the statin deserves all the credit. What about all the oatmeal, flax seed, Omega 3's, apple cider vinegar, garlic etc. I have included in my diet? I am sure that they have all played a role in getting the numbers down.

    I went back on it, by the way.

    so how long you been back on it and how are you doing now? i go to my dr on the 11th and thinking about going back on just the lipitor i was on it and zetia until dec and was taken off both for muscle pain and weakness but numbers are now up a bit so thinking about telling doc just the lipitor not 2 different meds.

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    I'll have the cholesterol labwork done in early July. (Every 3 months). I expect my numbers to be excellent!

    This is what they were as of April 7th:
    TC 4.4
    HDL 1.2
    Ratio 3.5
    LDL 2.8
    Trig 0.81

    Feb 3rd

    TC 6
    HDL 1.1
    Ratio 5.6
    LDL 4.3
    Trig 1.48

    I eat oatmeal every day and stay away from animal fats (except some steak etc. once in a while). I know that should help the numbers a little, too. So far I have not had the same type of a problem I'd experienced before (either of my legs giving out on me without any warning whatsoever). The aches I could easily live with. The neurological stuff was very scary and had the potential of being extremely dangerous (when driving etc.).

    If you dont' feel comfortable with your numbers, maybe you should give it another try. I assume you've tried the diet route with little success?


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    I'm new here. Usually post in the menopause boards. I was on lipitor for high cholesterol, took 10 mg and then my doctor still wanted to see my numbers lower so put me on 20 mg. Started to get muscles cramps in my legs and got off. After being off for like 2 months, took cholesterol again and it was so high i freaked. Now im back on 20 mg of lipitor again coz it was so high. But i do feel tired and drained from it, don't know why. Anyway, isn't there something natural one can take to get the same results as a statin? What is this red yeast rice?


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    I originated this post. You are going down the same road that I went only you gave in again to the statin hype. It has now been 7 months since I quit my Lipitor. All the tiredness and muscle weakness is gone and I can once again put a bag of salt into the softener without worrying about my back. My mind is sharper and I no longer feel light headed.

    I am going to get an ultrasound of my arteries and a lipid test next month. Hopefully my cholesterol has dropped from the alarming high of 315 when I first stopped taking Lipitor. I will report the results when I receive them.

    God bless and happy 4th.


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    It has been 10 months since I stopped my Lipitor. All of the side effects from this drug are gone. I now feel the same as I did before I started taking this drug.

    My total cholesteral has returned to 239 from the high of 315. My LDL is now 161 compared to 203 last April. My diet hasn't changed much except I now eat a little meat and eggs.

    I will continue watching my diet but I will NEVER take another statin. I would rather die of a heart attack than be sickly. I just wanted to post this for your information.

    God bless all of you and good health.

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