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    Old 11-16-2008, 04:48 PM   #1
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    Question Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    Okay... I need some help as I've never asked this question of my pdoc althought serious thinking about it at our next visit. For years I've always heard voices....I've just past it off as "talking to myself"..... but I've noticed with this most recent sets of severe depression I"m more heaing things about how bad I am, that things that have happened financially have alll been my fault.......

    The question, am i auditory hallucinating or just talking to myself and don't need to worry??? I'm really confused.... help!

     
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    Old 11-17-2008, 03:18 AM   #2
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    Hi tigger,

    What you're describing could be auditory hallucinations. I would describe exactly what you're hearing, when and how often to your pdoc so he/she can determine what is going on.

    I have several questions for you. When you hear these voices, do you hear anything else?

    For example, if the TV is on in the background, do you hear it at the same time you hear your voices or do you hear the voices only? Do the voices sound as if they are taking place inside or outside of your head?

    The reason I ask is because when someone experiences auditory hallucinations, they lose touch with reality and become unaware of their surroundings. They also hear voices from outside of their head as if there is another person in the room.

    When I experienced auditory hallucinations in the early 90s the voices I heard criticized me for the daily decisions I made, told me what an awful person I was and tried to convince me to commit suicide. They also had conversations with me.

    During my last severe manic/psychotic episode I heard up to 20 different voices. These were the voices of my family, friends and complete strangers. They often spoke of death and dying, commented on everything I was thinking or doing and angrily shouted at each other.

    I don't know if my experiences are similar to what you are going through, but I thought I'd share them in case they are.

    Hope this helps!

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    Old 11-17-2008, 10:43 AM   #3
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    When I get very manic and anxious I hear things like people talking and trying to break into my house or just conspiring against me. I can never quite hear exactly what they are saying. I also hear noises that are very out of place, like a car in the wilderness. I also hear music (outside of my brain like someone has a radio on) very often. The weird thing is that it is music that I have never heard before. Before I was taking meds I had one voice that would talk to me and tell me things about myself (occasionally he came with visual hallucinations). It was actually kind of comforting at the time. My doctor has told me that I have auditory illusions. I think that they are not hallucinations because I can't hear the people directly taking to me anymore. I think that the biggest opsticle all of this causes for me is that it jumbles my brain even more than it is normally. It is very hard to focus on other things ( I hate it when my brain is that loud). People don't really understand that you can't just calm yourself down and go along with life. It gets so bad that I don' want to take a shower alone because it either leads to hearing things, or obsessive thoughts (do you guys think those things are connected?) I am hoping that making an anti psychotic change will help all this. I know that this is not really an answer to your question, but I just felt like sharing my story. I hope that you can find some relief.
    Thanks for listening.

     
    Old 11-17-2008, 12:14 PM   #4
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    The voices I hear are contained within my head. They are not my voice, kind of how I know they are not real. They tell me bad things about myself and that I should do bad things to myself. When I was very psychotic and untreated they were telling me to harm my family as well. I call them thought intrusions, because they intrude upon the thoughts I would normally hear, my voice. When I hear them my husband often tells me I just stare into space for a period of time and he cannot connect with me. I have also had visual halucinations without sound, glimpses of things. Thank God my meds seem to be working really well right now. I hope that all made sense and it helped you some.

     
    Old 11-17-2008, 02:47 PM   #5
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    When people 'talk to themselves' that is what they do they talk out loud to themselves or you think about things it is a conscious decision that you can do or not do...you have complete control over it. However, hearing voices just pops into your head whether you want it there or not and you described it as 'hearing' things...and that is what it is 'you hear it' the biggest clue is that you can't change the subject in your head the voices seem to overshadow all thoughts even if you don't want to 'hear' it. And because you can't tell the difference you do need to tell your doctor. Does pdoc mean psychiatric or primary? at any rate you do need to tell your psychiatric doctor so he/she can help you through the whole thing.

     
    Old 11-17-2008, 09:07 PM   #6
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    thanks everyone....

    sounds like this may be a form of auditory hallucinations as I don't hear outside things when it is going on in fact if I'm driving I have to try even harder to concentrate on the road as I have almost run myself into a ditch on more than one occassion. The sad things is they are always negative thoughts, which really doesn't help when I'm already depressed.

    sounds like a good topic to discuss with my pdoc when he admits me December 1st and looks like I have something new to add to my list of wonderfuls.

     
    Old 11-18-2008, 04:42 AM   #7
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    Dear Tigger,

    People interpret their experiences differently. More persons may
    experience the exact same thing, one seeing it as disconnected thoughts,
    another as talking to oneself, another as voices. People will also have
    different ideas of what a "voice" is.
    In psychology the term "automatic thoughts" is used for unintended
    thoughts (also self-ciritique), and this is quite common.

    It seems to me that what you hear are your own worries.
    One thing to remember is that when worrying thoughts occur,
    we haven't decided "now I'm going to think about this issue".
    Rather the thoughts seep into consciousness from time to time,
    and you catch on to them.
    One of the most important factors that separate patients with
    verbal hallucinations from other patients is lower confidence in their
    own jugdement / cognitive abilities.
    My impression is that voice talk often relates to things that you don't
    know how to think out for yourself - like what will happen in the future or
    what other people think of you - or thoughts about things you don't
    know how to change or to accept - like feelings of guilt for something you
    have done, or some part of your personality.
    Thus you start letting your imagination run - "what if..?" or have
    associations to things you've heard other people say "it's over"
    "this time you've made it".
    Such thoughts then perhaps cause anxiety, despair, etc. which makes
    thinking happen in a less controlled manner. My own experience at least,
    that this leads to a tendency of "backseat thinking" (v. being in the driver
    seat) where you [I]listen[I] more to thoughts. Instead of approaching them
    in a "logical" manner you influence the thought processes by reacting
    emotionally to the thoughts.
    I think it is important to avoid such "backseat thinking" as it might
    become a habit, and lead to experiences of "voices".
    Instead think about things in a focused manner. Talk to people
    about them. Write the thoughts down and reflect on them.
    Call someone who has knowledge about the things that worry you -
    perhaps an economical advisor; tell exactly what things you have done
    in the situation. Know also when it's not a good time to start thinking
    about the issues - like when you're stressed out, anxious, tired etc.

    Learn to see the importance of your not having had any bad intentions
    so that there isn't much to blame about how you have acted.
    Also most things about yourself that you see as negative don't make
    you a bad person. And if after all you find yourself blameable - according
    to your own views - you are able to change yourself

    And reflect on the tendency of the thought processes. Are the thoughts
    very onesided? Do they list up only negative things about you -
    "you're dumb, mean, etc.?" Then what is the purpose of pulling out
    these thoughts together - let's mention all the negative aspects of me
    and not a single positive one? What use is it? You aren't solving any
    of the problems. In every other situation in life you don't deal with all
    problems at once: at work you don't work on the 500 things that need
    to be done within a year at the same time; tidying the house you don't
    vacuum, clean and do laundry at the same time.
    There's simply no point in doing so.

    What creates this pull to have all these thoughts of a similar quality is
    your emotional state. You need to address your emotional issues,
    through talking about your worries, sorrow, guilt etc.

    My opinion is that verbal hallucinations are the result of anxiety-provoking
    thoughts that are suppressed. Suppression happens both consciously and unconsciously - before you become aware of them (for the latter you might speak of "defense mechanisms" - see the psychological experiment described in the thread 'voice hearers' coping tips thread' in the bipolar forum) Suppression leads to
    a more frequent occurence of the thoughts, and I that they are harder to
    get rid of when they occur. Also wilful suppresion leads to a higher degree
    of illusive auditory experiences (hearing vocalizations when listening to
    recordings of noise.)

    I hope this can help. Have a lovely week!

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    Old 11-18-2008, 03:37 PM   #8
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    Thanks Bright Day...... mine seem to be things that I have supressed and then just rise up particularly the more depressed I become, they become louder and more frequent. It may be self talk, but I think there is a little more to the side of auditory hall.

     
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    I wish I were capable of willful suppressions when it comes to my auditory hallucinations. Unfortunately, I just can't do it no matter how hard I try. As I mentioned before, my tdoc says this is because I've lost complete touch with reality and therefore don't have the means necessary to think clearly -- let alone think coherently about the voices I hear.

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    Old 11-19-2008, 01:18 AM   #10
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    tigger,

    If I were you, I'd ask your pdoc if he/she could place you on an antipsychotic to help relieve your auditory hallucinations.

    I take 4mg of Risperdal for mine and it works wonderfully well (except when I'm manic).

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    Old 11-19-2008, 03:52 PM   #11
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    thanks Dreams... I'm going to talk to him about it while I'm an inpatient and see what he thinks.... I used to say I was just talking to myself, but I do lose some degree of where I am when it really happens...... like I've said, I've almost run off the road driving at times so figure I should ask my pdoc what's going on.

     
    Old 11-19-2008, 10:23 PM   #12
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    Re: Voices vs Auditory Hallucinations

    You're welcome, tigger. Please let us know what you find out. Good luck!

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