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    Old 01-18-2002, 04:43 PM   #31
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    yuppers actually my degree has helped "cure" my acne because for me it was a nutrional based problem. When the bod is in tip top shape nutritionally the outside is in tip top as well.
    most dermies don't focus on the nutritional side, but it is important and has helped a lot of people.
    Actually "zapping" and "cleansing" of parasites I assum would be killin em or ridding yourself of them. You do need some. I am not offended by your posts or feel the need to be arguing my only point is as always for people to research what they are putting in their bods and not blindly follow someone who says " I HAVE THE CURE"...because what worked for you may not work for others. And some people may have an adverse reaction to it and have health problems..
    You are studied in the book you read about this program and are a firm believer in anything it says....but have you studied the body, nutrition, etc. to make up your own mind and have your own feelings about the human body and how it works?? Aren't you blindly following the teachings of someone else without researching for yourself? The sales comment is because you don't sound like you are forming your own beliefs but quoting ver-betum out of this program.
    Maybe you will follow up all this interest you have in this life changing program and continue on and go to school to learn about the human body and its functions and make a bunch of $$ on your own program. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">
    I am not out to get you in any way I like to post to make people think about what they are reading and doing and not blindly try anything without researching first.
    maybe you will go to school and be a holistic health care giver or naturopath...but either way you will be studying the human body, not just different teachings in trying this or that on the body.<p>[This message has been edited by blondiebiker (edited 01-18-2002).]

     
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    Old 01-18-2002, 04:55 PM   #32
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Nutritionexpert, I'd like to ask you a few questions. I am currently taking yellow dock and burdock root to clean the liver and purify the blood, acidophilus to replace the good bacteria the 100 mg a day of monodox I've been taking kills, and borage & flax oil for my EFA's.

    I do not eat any red meat, dairy, refined sugar, white bread, and all the stuff I do eat is organic. I eat lots of fresh fuits and veggies and oats for fiber,restrict my carb intake, and replace dairy w/ soy. I am very happy with my skin. Actually my skin was never bad, I just have obsessive compulsive disorder, and I'm very hard on myself about my skin.I drink only water, around 75 oz. a day. I don't even know if certain foods harm my face, but I'm scared to test it and I know eating like this is healthy for the entire body anyway. In social situations, it can be very difficult, but It doesn't bother me too much. I've been doing this strictly since the summer. I lost a lot of weight not wanting to, and am probably way under weight. I turn 17 in April, am only 5'4 and way 90 pounds. Do you have any ways that I can gain a couple pounds w/ out eating junk? I mean i eat sunflower seeds and the "good" fats in olive oil and such, but it does not seem to do anything.

    Now that I've basically told you everything I do, what do you think of my diet? Besides eating healthy, I do use differin at night and wash w/ Purpose gentle cleanser. In the morning I wash w/ Triaz 3%,which does not dry me out because it's such a low concentration, and put on Cleocin T loion, which is also pretty mild. I moisterize w/ cetaphil face lotion frequently and exfoliate about every 3 days. Well if you having any advice for me, I'd love to hear it! Thanks for reading this very long post! Take care all. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 05:07 PM   #33
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    and reading your last post.....threatening people is not necessary just because they don't believe in what you do that is life and being only 17 you are in for a huge shock if you don't know that yet. You are pushing a VERY controversial approach to curing something you are going to have to deal with mass amounts of critisism by believing in this sort of thing. Doesn't mean it is bad...doesn't even mean it may not be true.
    life would be boring if we all lived the same.

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 06:03 PM   #34
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Cotton Candy - It really seems like you care about your health, which is fabulous to hear. Don't let it control your life, however.

    Your diet sounds pretty good. The only thing I would worry about is soy. There's a little something from Leo Kiesen after I give you my opinion.

    You don't want to lose too much weight. Eat more oatmeal if you want, you can eat all the oatmeal you want... it won't wreak havoc on your face.

    I'm assuming that monodox is an anti-biotic, but I really do not know. Anti-biotics, while in the short term will drastically help your acne, do worse things in the longrun. If you want to gain wait, you gotta eat... no way around it... just eat the right things. If you don't like eating red meat, try chicken or fish. Fish are really great sources of EFA and protein.

    It sounds like you're making a good effort by supplementing with borage and flax, but you definitely want to throw evening primose in for hormonal balance. Now about the soy. I drank soymilk for probably a year before I realized that it was completely cutting off my aborbtion of zinc, and probably throwing off my hormonal levels, since I had acne. But because so many people said it was "good for me", I believed them... here's what Leo Kiesen has to say.

    "Isolated soy protein (soy protein isolate) is poison…

    Textured vegetable protein is poison…

    Soymilk is largely indigestible…

    Fractionated soy products like tofu carry with them inherit problems…

    High anti-nutrient content in soy improperly prepared leads to chronic mineral and amino acid deficiencies…

    And the high phyto-estrogen content in the new form of genetically modified soybeans will upset hormonal balance leading to early puberty in girls, and a host of diseases related to high estrogens later on in life…

    Yet if soybeans are grown and prepared right they can be a bio-available source of nutrition.

    Want to know why…read on…

    Soy for thousands of years was an important source of nutrition for Asian cultures. But it took those cultures many years to figure out how to prepare soy so it could be bio-available. The problems arrived when we started consuming it in excess improperly prepared, denature it with high temperatures and pressures, fractionate it to make bean curds, and God forbid, genetically modify it so it would be more bug resistant and yield more per acre.

    Soybeans contain many of the same anti-nutrients and enzyme inhibitors that grains have. Soy is both high in phytic acid and in inhibitors that block the action of trypsin (and important enzyme for life) as well as other enzymes. These inhibitors are tightly folded proteins that retain their configuration even when cooked for very long periods. When ingested they produce gastric distress and reduced protein digestion and chronic amino acid deficiencies due to the enzyme inhibitor.

    The Chinese knew this, and it was not until they discovered fermentation processes that they ever ingested the bean.

    You see soybeans must be prepared in a specific way to neutralize these anti-nutrients…namely soybeans must be sprouted, or slow fermented as in the case of miso, shoyu, tempeh, and natto.

    The sprouting and slow fermentation processes destroy the anti-nutrients and break down the soy proteins into bio-available forms. Any soy product less then this has the anti-nutrients left intact.

    Soy normally has plant phyto-estrogens. These mimic the action of the hormone estrogen in your systems. They body can make adjustments for these phyto-estrogens by lowering estrogens, but in excess these phyto-estrogens will throw hormones out of balance. Well, genetically modified soy has many more times the phyto-estrogens as non-GMO soy only compounding the problem. Do not ingest genetically modified soy products of any kind.

    Isolated soy protein and textured vegetable protein are poisons due to their highly processed nature. To produce soy protein isolate the soybeans are first ground and then solvents are added to extract the natural oils in the bean. The bean mixture now free of any fatty acids is then mixed with sugars and an alkaline solution to remove any fiber. Then it is precipitated and separated using an acid wash. This acid wash is generally done in huge aluminum tanks. The acid leaches aluminum into the soy. In fact soy protein isolates have as much as 100 times the aluminum content as the beans they were derived from. Finally what's left is neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high temperatures to produce high protein powder.

    The result is a powder that is so denatured it becomes a poison. Yet most the anti-nutrients naturally in soy not prepared properly still remain. Your body cannot utilize isolated soy protein in any form; it simply has to get it out of your system as quickly as it can.

    Textured vegetable protein is only isolated soy protein that has been extruded at high temperatures and pressures. Just as poisonous if not more so then soy protein isolate.

    Read the labels…do not ingest anything with soy protein isolate or textured vegetable protein in it. They're putting it in everything now, especially so-called "heath" foods. And mothers I beg you…do not give your babies soy formulas or soymilk…please don't do it, just trust me on this one.

    Soymilk is largely unusable by your body and comes along with it both anti-nutrients and toxins left behind from the manufacturing process. Consider the process involved in making soymilk. In order to remove some anti-nutrients in soy, the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. This mixture is then heated between 240-250 degrees Fahrenheit (115-120 C) in pressure cookers at high pressure. This temperature and pressure denatures the protein in the soy to the point that it becomes very difficult for your body to digest. The alkaline solution the beans are soaked in leaves behind a carcinogen called lysinealine. Not only that, the anti-nutrient phytic acid that are normally destroyed by sprouting or fermenting remains. This acid binds to minerals and will cause chronic mineral deficiencies if consumed regularly. Use rice milk or milk derived from nuts like almonds instead.

    Fractionated soy products like tofu still have the anti-nutrients and enzyme inhibitors largely intake. The process of making these foods does lower some of the enzyme inhibitors, but many remain. The phytic acid remains intake.

    The tragedy is soy products are now being heavily promoted as "healthy" alternatives the FDA. I tell you from sad experience I was duped by those promotions as well. It was not until I started doing regular live blood cell analysis on myself that I noticed the connection and researched it further. The current crop of soy products is not a healthy alternative…in fact they are a poison.

    Anything the FDA recommends I ask you to research and question…be highly suspicious of it. Usually a lot of money and big business are behind that recommendation…not so much the concern for your health.

    The only soy products I suggest you ingest are sprouted beans and fermented soy products such as miso, shoyu, tempeh, and natto, all of which should be made from organic, non-genetically modified soybeans (non-GMO). Tofu should not be used as meat substitute…it should only be ingested in small quantities as a condiment just as most Asian cultures do."

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 06:31 PM   #35
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    Nutirtionexpert- you sound like u really know your stuff, i too have ordered Leos book and have been studying it for about a year now trying to get everything right although i do not let it consume my life I believe if you are going to be at all successful you cannot be worrying about your routine constantly.

    #1 Stress is a huge factor in acne, I believe you can actually control your acne by reducing your stress levels, seeing a massage therapist every two weeks helps greatly with this along with deep breathing and what not, just keeping your mind off your face as well. This may be in large part why the "Do Nothing" Method is working for alot of you.
    But I believe the #1 way to reduce your stress levels is to have a normal sleep schedule, try it for a week and see how u feel.

    2. Nutrition is also an important step when dealing with acne, again, my diet is not perfect but I have bought a juicer and found extreme benefits just by juicing carrots and cucumbers every few days, it makes my skin kindof satiny like -

    I'll try to keep this short but as far as excersing goes running is good but i have found a far better way to clean the lymph and blood buy a mini trampoline- for 5 to 15 minutes a day can help drain the lymphatic system. This stimulates the lymph nodes, which start to drain toxins into the bloodstream and out of the body.

    alright thats just a little info for ya'll

    also nutrition expert what are the supps you r taking now?

    cya

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 10:18 PM   #36
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    Nuritionexpert, thank you so much for responding so quickly. I am very concerned with my health, and I am definately not denying that it takes over my life, but it doesn't seem to bother me. It's as if I do not want to change.

    I do eat chicken, I love it, and I eat fish also. However, I do not think it's possible for me to stop ingesting soy, so I guess we'll just have to disagree on that topic. You seem to think that red meat is alright, I have heard that it causes breakouts in some, do you know anything about that? I don't know if it causes problems for me because I just stay away from it in fear. Also, I have heard mixed things about tomatoes. I'd like to be able to eat them, but again, am scared to. For me, having one pimple is close to the end of the world. No cookie or piece of cake is worth it for me. Sometimes I'll get a bagel with turkey and cheese at a sandwhich place and eat that, which was a really big step. Three things all together that I would NEVER eat before. It doesn't seem to cause problems though, but that doesn't encourage me to add other things to my diet. Well t hanks for listening! Take care. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">

     
    Old 01-18-2002, 10:39 PM   #37
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    Look NutExp., your the one who used arnold as a positive example for why test isn't bad and he did do steroids so he did have higher levels of dht also, so you made no point as to why test isn't bad on the skin. And about the synthetic test being the only way to raise dht, well your wrong about that too,. Remember prohormones? They can cause baldness and gyno too, and theres no steroid in them just precursors that your body makes its own test, not synthetic. And again purchasing the seperate parts of the zma is the same if you take them all at once in the same ratio. Why wouldn't it be? Of course you may not get the little xtras they may add like some vit. c. but who cares. I'm 5'9 185lbs 15%bf.

     
    Old 01-19-2002, 11:30 AM   #38
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    JC94- I definitely agree with you that stress is a giant factor as far as acne and a lot of other diseases go. It took me a long time to learn how to become a calmer person. I used to be so tense about everything. The mini trampoline method is something that I have never heard of, and as far as running goes, it has worked like a charm so far. As far as supplements...

    "The Total EFA" liquid
    Fish Oil
    ZMA - Zinc/Magnesium
    Bee pollen/royal jelly
    B-complex
    B5-pantothenic acid
    Chromium picolonate
    Beta-carotenee
    A little bit of copper to balance my zinc intake
    MSM - sulfur supp
    Vitamin C
    Vitamin E
    Selenium
    And I use a juicer quite a bit as well...
    I may have forgot one or two, but I'm really in a hurry... sorry.

    Arkie6 - Hey Alan. Soy really is bad. It's hard to believe that so many people push it as a "healthy alternative"

    Regarding iron blocking zinc absorbtion... I don't claim to be right about everything 100% of the time. It's just what I researched. Perhaps when your taking supplements of each, it is best not to let the supplements interfere. Meat is definitely good in small amounts.

    CottonCandy - Hi! How are you doing? I don't want to offend you in anyway, but it sounds like you're being a litte bit too obsessive about your diet. It definitely is possible to stop the soy intake, please do it for your health. Rice Milk is a wonderful substitute. Red meat is definitely alright, as long as one doesn't ingest too much uric acid for the body to handle. About tomatoes, tomatoes are great sources of vitamin c and other antioxidants. One pimple is not the end of the world, ok? I agree that you should stay away from cookies or cakes, those are killers. Do stay away from cheese as much as possible. Make sure you diet is as diverse as possible, but still as healthy as possible.

    Bacne - I happen to train with a professional bodybuilder, and I am 5'8" 165 at 6% body fat myself. I do consider myself to be very knowledgable of the sport of bodybuilding. Keep separating your magnesium and zinc and you'll stay at around 15% bf. Prohormones are horrible for you, they are just as bad as steriods. They do not in any way stimulate your own production of testosterone. ZMA does that.

     
    Old 01-19-2002, 02:14 PM   #39
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    Hey Nutritionexpert, I'm doing great and hope you are as well. I'm not at all offended by your comment, because I already know that my diet is way too obsessive. I might look into the rice milk. I don't eat cheese often at all...maybe once a month. How did you come to know about all this stuff? You seem very smart in the subject. Well hope everyone is doing well too! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">

     
    Old 01-20-2002, 12:44 PM   #40
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    Re: There IS a cure for acne...

    Concerning wrnok84's statement about curing acne in 3 days...

    Fasting is wonderful for you skin. When you take the digestive burden off of your body, the body starts to clean itself. Lemon juice is also really great. Leo Kiesen recommends drinking a cup of lemon juice before you do anything else every day when you wake up in the morning.

     
    Old 01-22-2002, 06:44 AM   #41
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    It's funny that everyone is talking about fasting because just a few weeks ago I was so sick (unusual for me) with a stomach virus (no temp. though) and I couldn't eat for 24 hours(highly unusual for me). My skin cleared quite nicely (probably because I wasn't fussing with it either). I think I'll try the lemon juice-I do put lemon in water and/or unsweetened ice tea when I go out to eat, but I'll try it at home in the morning. I think I'll also try rice milk when I finish up my soy milk. And I agree with the comment about stress. When I was really breaking out, I would check my face in the mirror every ten minutes, picking at it, etc. It really added up to alot of stress...and probably more breakouts. Currently, I try my best not to touch my face and I check it only every few hours. I've also become less self-conscious about going out in public with little to no makeup. I figure, lots of people have problem skin so why worry? Life is too short.

     
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    Oh and I forgot that I agree with the running being great for the skin. I am a long distance runner (I run 5x a week for 1 hour to 2 hours at a time) and I find that my stress levels goes way down after a run. But, running outside is the best, don't do the treadmill!

     
    Old 01-23-2002, 06:07 AM   #43
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    NutritionExpert: What is the difference between the aspartame in ZMA & in Nutrasweet? How is one good & the other bad?

     
    Old 01-23-2002, 05:37 PM   #44
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    I would think both are bad, there is nothing good about artificial sweeteners.

     
    Old 01-23-2002, 07:43 PM   #45
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    Here is my cure for acne and its free! Follow my advice for a few months and your acne will be improved! Acne is mostly hormone related. Do not eat things that mess too heavily with your hormones. Eliminate all soy/herbal/phytoestrogen products and foods from your diet. They cause your hormones to be imbalanced and not only that you can get serious health problems from them especialy women!! Eat less starchy carbohydrates. For instance, try to stop eating bread, grains, cerials, sugary food ect. They mess with your hormones too and only turn into sugar in the body! Instead eat plenty of vegetables. They will add the fiber and the necesary carbs to your diet without needing the starchy carbs like breads and grains. Eat one to two fruits each day but not too much or you will be eating a lot of sugar which messes with hormones. Eat oily fish like salmon at least twice a week. The omega 3 is very good for your heart and your skin. Make sure you get enough protein daily. Exersize regularly, it balances hormones. Also start a regular weight lifting routein. If you exersize you must weight lift because exersize is very good for your heart but it causes muscle loss. Your exersize and weight lifting routine does not have to be heavy duty either. Just 20 minutes or so every other day with light weights and exersize. That is my cure and you don't need to pay for it! Try it for a few months! It really works not only for your skin but you will feel better all over.

     
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