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    Old 11-27-2002, 06:21 AM   #31
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    any ladies try accutane before going on spiro or other hormonal meds? i am on day 47 of accutane and beginning to think it is not working for me- anyone?

    thanks!

     
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    Old 11-27-2002, 12:46 PM   #32
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    I have no experience with accutane, but it seems that the general consensus is that if your acne is hormonal, it may help a little, but it won't get rid of it.

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 10:00 AM   #33
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    gem,
    do you have hormonal acne? try accutane before diane? also- your bust size increased! woohooo! i would love it if mine did on one of these estrogen pills! thanks!

    what is the difference between yasmin and diane?

    thanks girls!

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 03:54 PM   #34
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    21 did u see my answer is your other post? Not sure what is up but all my posts to you keep disappearing.

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 08:44 PM   #35
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    gem,
    no i did not see it <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/frown.gif">

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 09:21 PM   #36
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    K lets try this again.

    Vitex and S.P. are both natural hormone balancers and S.P. is also antiandrogenetic. They both work well, but take longer to work than a stronger prescription drug. In the long run I believe the effects to be longer lasting, as they work with the body like all naturapathic remedies. Diane 35 works very effectively. I did not try accutane before it, as my acne was mild. I rarely ever get a zit now after 9 months on the pill, whereas before I always had at least 3 around my period, so yes my skin has definitely improved. I have had no real weight gain apart from the increase in bust size which was not dramatic (thank God! I have too much already IMO) Yasmin is also known to work very well, and contains a small dosage of spiro. It is also similar to a diuretic in that it reduces water retention, therefore many women do not gain weight on this pill (the increase in bust size while on the pill is due to water retention in the breast tissue). Yasmin has not been around for as long as diane35, so its side effects are not as well known. DIane35 however is not approved for use in the States. It is widely used in Europe and Canada. Spiro is usually prescribed in higher dosages than found in Yasmin, and also works well. I wouldn't take spiro alongside a BCP until you have given that BCP a chance to work itself, because women have found Diane35 and Yasmin very effective. Both are antiandrogenetic and that is why they are so effective for hormonal acne. Personally, if I were not on Diane, I would be taking Yasmin. I chose Diane because it was the BCP of choice among my friends, I need birth control and the added benefit that it helped with the complexion is why I chose this pill . All BCPs carry some risks, so the choice of whether to take an alternative medicine such as vitex or a drug is really up to you and your doctor. Hope this helps you a bit!

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 11:29 PM   #37
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    Quick question. Minocycline worked for me. But, I have hormonal symptoms too.. does the fact that an antibiotic worked for me rule-out the possibility of hormonal acne?

    thanks

     
    Old 11-28-2002, 11:36 PM   #38
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    Oh, my last post really made Mino sound better than it is..
    it worked, but only temporarily, and I got weird side effects

     
    Old 11-29-2002, 12:26 AM   #39
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    Hi! I have a couple questions: For some reason I was under the impression that spiro was a BCP. After reading this thread it sounds like it isn't....then what is it? Also, is Vitex a perscription or over-the-counter drug? Thanks.....

     
    Old 11-29-2002, 12:40 AM   #40
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    Hey again...

    I've been doing some research on Vitex and it sounds very promising. I'm trying to avoid going on BCPs due to them causing heart issues in quite a few women in my family. Anyway, Vitex (it's all natural) has been proven to clear up acne cases in teenagers and older women. It can start working anywhere from 10 days to 6 months. It cures the hormone imbalance; not just temporalily fixes it. It's cheap....5 or 6 bucks. I don't know....I may just try it.

     
    Old 11-29-2002, 09:52 AM   #41
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    Hi

    yes VItex works well but takes longer than 10 days in most! If you have a history of heart disease in women in your family than it is a much better alternative to BCP for hormonal acne.

    Spiro is a diuretic and works to counteract excess output of aldosterone by the adrenal glands. It is not a BCP, and offers no birth control protection. IT is simply found in Yasmin (a BCP) or prescribed alone.

    Having taken antibiotics that temporarely cleared up your acne does not mean a BCP would not work well for you.Often such meds help to clear up the symptoms initially but do not solve the problem , and that is why the symptoms come back. BCPs, while you are on them, regulate the hormones so that the acne decreases or disappears. Before I was on DIane35, I took hempseed oil as a supplement and that also helped to lessed the number of pimples I would get around my period. It actually worked very well but did not stop the acne altogether. My acne was mainly due to PMS, and when I started the BCP it cleared up very quickly.

     
    Old 11-29-2002, 10:20 AM   #42
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    You girls are so helpful <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> Thanks so much for all the info...
    does anyone know is saw palmetto or vitex has been proven just as effective as spiro or one of the BCPs? i would prefer to go natural but if they are not *** effective, i would be willing to go on a perscription drug...

    thanks again ladies!

     
    Old 11-30-2002, 02:02 PM   #43
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    Re: For the ladies w/hormonal acne...

    LoL, I might as well post this information here too, after all, it's important to get the "word" out ;-)

    Anyway, I think that some people have the wrong idea about "hormonal" acne. Most of us have hormonal acne, the question is what's causing our hormonal imbalances? Our Monthly period, diet, or an endocrinological problem. Chances are, the longer you've had it, the severity, and location, are an outward clue, but it's not the defining answer.

    Like I mentioned before if you can afford it, PLEASE see an endocrinolgist because there are waayyy too many rare (but common for long term acneic people) disorders that cause problems for both MEN and women. Definately do a search for Endocrinological, Thyroid, and Adrenal disorders. Infact here's some for you to look up:

    Congential Adrenal Hyperplasia (can be misdiagnosed as PCOS)-or CAH, NCCAH,

    Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome
    Addisons
    Cushings
    Hyperthyroidism (or Hypo)
    Hyperparthyrodism
    Hyperadrenalism
    Hypercortisolism
    (the list goes on)

    Insulin Resistance, Diabetes
    Irritable Bowel Syndrome
    Allergies/Intolerances

    If you noticed, I listed things that may not have much to do with endocrinology, but things you wouldn't suspect could be the culprit. I've discovered several natural cures and even meds, that did something else that they aren't "supposed" to be used for. That's exactly how Spiro and Accutane came about for us too.

    Also, just because you have a hormonal imbalance, doesn't mean it's automatically testosterones fault or that your lacking estrogen. While that may be what's causing the acne, it could be because of your thyroid, or your adrenal gland, or ovaries, or insulin, see what I mean? Not to mention, that some people can be asymptomatic (don't show outward signs of a problem) so even if you don't think you fit the above descriptions for a major imbalance, your body MAY still be battling something.

    The Majority of these disorders have symptoms that run together, hence why it's so easy to think you have 10 disorders when you may have only 1 or 2. Considering all those symptoms, some of us only end up with a few which means you may have only a partial disorder, that's why testing is so important! Not to mention that you'll have to have periodic blood work run to make sure everything is balancing out and nothing else is wrong. ;-)

    When you think about it, it's amazing how one gene, enzyme, or hormone is off just the teeeenist bit, and as a result, other parts of your body are out of synch. In fact, did you know that there are about 10 different androgens? That's why you should NOT self-medicate without knowing which one you are lacking or make too much of. Hence why some people, breakout when they use Progesterone, DHEA, Vitex, etc.

    Natural supplements are great, but some are androgens and some are estrogens, and depending on where your body's malfunction is, it can have the ability to convert them ALL into androgens, so be careful. What works for one person with acne doesn't mean it'll work for you, so please see an endocrinologist (a good one). ;-)


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