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    Old 11-24-2002, 11:56 AM   #46
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    Re: My TCA Peel Diary

    <B>6 Days TCA Post Peel</B>

    <I><B>Good News Guys!!</B></I>

    In the last 24 hours my forehead has peeled other than around my hairline. My nose has peeled (just a few stragglers), and around my eyes.

    The only place that hasnít peeled yet is my cheeks, but they look like they are ready.

    The tip of my nose, around the mouth, and upper lip look good but they have some spots that are a bit reddish pink.

    My chin was very red yesterday. Today it has become a whole lot better. It still has a pinkish tone and some darker pinkish red splotches but the splotches have lightened up a great deal from yesterday. That makes me feel much better. I think my chin and the corners of my mouth look like this is because I stocked up on Hot Pockets for the hibernation and it was hard to open my mouth to eat them. So maybe I caused it to peel faster. Iím sure that since it was the most painful and sensitive area had something to do with it too.

    BTW, my forehead has pretty much all peeled with the exception of the hairline, and it looks fantastic!! It's soft and smooth with no pinkness. I had some very very tiny fine lines (Iím sure I could only see them and no one else) on my forehead and they are totally gone!! I had mentioned before that I had some freckles on my nose that had faded from childhood, but you could still see them, now it looks like I have never had freckles before in my life.

    One thing I am glad I did is keep this diary and write in it daily. If I would have waited until now and started my diary, I would not have remembered all the graphic details that I was experiencing then. Since Iím feeling so much better today, I would have left out much of the details. I encourage anyone that is having any kind of procedure done to keep a daily diary for you and for anyone else that is considering the procedure. I did find a few threads by doing TCA Peel searches on a few boards, but it seems like they would wait 2-5 days before posting. I will refer back to my diary when Iím ready to do another one. I also hope that the people getting ready to do the Skin Culture Peel will keep a daily diary also.

    <I><B>Anyway, all and all, Iím doing much much better today. Looking better, feeling good and very excited and canít wait to see my whole face peeled with my new skin.</B></I>

    <B>Have A Great Sunday.</B>

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    Old 11-24-2002, 12:21 PM   #47
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    Re: My TCA Peel Diary

    Hey Ellah,

    Forgot to mention something.

    At the rate I'm going, I think I will make it to my doctor's appointment after all (this Tuesday)!

    I will be sure and ask what I was going to about the next peel.

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    Old 11-24-2002, 02:32 PM   #48
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    <I><B>There is one thing that I keep forgetting to mention.</B></I>

    I had some blackheads that were small and under my skin before my peel. They were under my skin, so trying to get them out would have just made a mess of my face (like the one I tried to get rid of before my peel that caused that 'HUGE inflamed pimple' next to where I had messed with the blackhead).

    Well, after the Peel I had some little bitty white spots that popped up that looked like little ant bites, or maybe little whiteheads.

    They popped up around day 3 I guess. I know they were in the same spots where the blackheads were. Anyway the small white spots are totally gone now.

    I wished I had added this in my diary when it happened, but I kept forgetting to do so.

    Just thought I would write this down now, while I was thinking of it.

    <I>Oh yeah, I failed to mention on my six day post-peel update today, that it looks like I have no more swelling or puffiness!</I>

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    Old 11-24-2002, 09:50 PM   #49
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    Tifanie,

    Have you ever had glycolic or lactic peels or is this your first peel?

    I am going to get some peels done in about a couple months but not sure if I should go for a mild peel or a medium peel like yours?

     
    Old 11-25-2002, 09:42 AM   #50
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    Hi <B>Amaru</B>,

    Yes I have had Glycolic and Lactic Peels.

    The main reason why I wanted a medium peel is because I want to get to the source quicker.

    Doing the light peels you have to have <I>patience</I> because it takes time. Before I got up the courage to do a medium peel I was doing the light peels. If you only have red marks to get rid of, than light Lactic Acid peels should be fine for you.

    In my case I have some shallow scaring and some scars that look like big pores. I made a decision to do a medium peel for faster results with these scars. <I>So I plan to have another TCA Peel as soon as I can but next time I will not get a full face TCA Peel. Iím only going to have him put the acid on my scarred areas.</I>

    <I><B>I have been told by several different sources that doing the light peels could give me the same results in a period of 6-12 months as one TCA Peel. Well, I made that decision not to wait. This is a decision you need to make too. Do you want to wait or do you want faster results? Thatís all it boils down to.</B></I>

    I do, however, plan to start back on some Lactic Acid Peels after I have my Ďtouch upí TCA Peel done (probably start on a Lactic Acid peel 2 or 3 weeks after the touch up). This will keep my skin looking good and not get a build up of dead skin and debris.

    I donít know when I will do another Glycolic Peel though. They are so irritating and I believe the Lactic does just as good without all that harsh aggravation. Iím sure I will end up maybe doing a Glycolic Peel once a month and a Lactic Peel 3 times a month; it is recommended to rotate light acid peels so your skin will not become immune to one particular acid. <I><B>I wish you luck on your decision.</B></I>

    If you have any more questions for me feel free to ask.

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    Old 11-25-2002, 09:56 AM   #51
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    Hi <B>Ellah</B>,

    I think what you were asking me yesterday morning (11/24/02) about the microderm peels was in that post I posted 11-22-2002 12:23 PM. Itís in this thread ĎMy TCA Peel Diaryí and it should be the first post on page 2.

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    <I><B>I will give an Update on my TCA Peel Progress in a little while.</B></I>

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    Old 11-25-2002, 01:13 PM   #52
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    Re: My TCA Peel Diary

    <B>7 Days TCA Post ĖPeel</B>

    The splotches on my chin area have turned about a medium pink (they were very red a few days ago). So they have lightened up since yesterday too; yesterday they were more of a pinkish/red or Hot Pink. The pink splotches on my chin area seem to be drying up and getting somewhat flaky; it kind of feels rough like a rash would feel. Which I think is a good thing. My upper lip area has some pink splotches too and they seem to be drying and a bit flaky also. Iím hoping maybe it will just dry up and flake off. The tip of my nose has lost the stragglers (hanging skin) from yesterday, and there are some small light pink spots.

    Some of the skin that was around my hairline came off while I was washing my face this morning.

    The skin on my cheeks was closer to the corners of my mouth and nose yesterday. I would say that I have peeled back at least one and a half inches further away from my nose and mouth since yesterday. Itís like the skin around the edges kind of pops up first and then either hangs, or shrivels up on the edges and rolls itself backwards <I>(just thought Iíd share some details LOL).</I>

    There are no signs of pink splotches on my cheeks yet, and my forehead, temples and around my eyes donít have any either.

    Well, thatís about all I can think of for todays update.

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    Old 11-25-2002, 02:54 PM   #53
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    Tif--

    Nope, I haven't disappeared--just been working a lot the past few days. I was really excited too after my first peel, waiting to see my new skin. I've had so many that I don't even think about it anymore because it takes a few months to see the full results. The only full-face TCA I had was 3 yrs ago so I remember vaguely how awful it was. Like you, my forehead was the least bothersome area. Since I just do my cheeks now, the recovery period isn't too bad. I'm glad your chin is better; my skin looked as you described when I pulled it off too soon. I agree that moving the mouth while chewing probably had something to do with your premature peeling.

    Your 7 Days Post TCA post describes very well what my skin goes through after a peel.

     
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    Tif--

    I was wondering if you knew what machine was used for your microderm. Different names I've heard are Power Peel, DermaPeel, Crystal Peel, SmartPeel. I didn't see this in your post. It's strange that the microderms made your scars more noticeable. I will let you know how my home microderm goes.

    Following the microderm with a lactic peel sounds good. I'll try that when my peel kit arrives. Lactic acid sounds awesome; I didn't know it was in the Jessners until you mentioned this. No wonder my skin looks so good after I get a Jessners peel.

    That 20%-70% glycolic sounds scary! But maybe I'll try it when I run out of my current glycolic peel. Where did you hear that skin grows resistant after using the same acid for a long time? Have you found this to be true with your skin?

    What % Retin-A do you use? I'd like to use it to increase collagen production; have you seen much improvement in this area? Does your Vitamin C Serum help with collagen? I've used SkinCeuticals sunscreen but haven't tried their other products. I will definitely visit their site and let you know if I have questions.

    By the way, I think I've done the Skin Culture peel you mentioned before. I got a peel from the same site that sells the lactic & glycolic kits you have. This was a couple years ago, and it had virtually no effect because I did not discontinue my AHAs 30 days prior peel as was recommended. I decided I would rather do my TCAs since I didn't have to stop using AHAs.

     
    Old 11-25-2002, 07:56 PM   #55
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    Hey Ellah,

    As far as I know, the Power Peel, Derma Peel, Crystal Peel, Smart peel, Lunchtime Peel, Mid-Day Facelift, etc., are all Microdermabrasions. The reason why I think the microderms made my scars more noticeable is because I think they took debris, dead skin cells, and Iím guessing maybe scar tissue. That is the only thing I can think of. Microdermabrasion machines spit out crystals and then sucks them back up. Kind of like a mini sandblasting job. When it shoots out the crystals it is like beating off the old dead skin cells and then sucking up the dead skin and crystals back up. Who knows if I would have kept it up, I may have eventually been more pleased. I just didnít want to keep going and going at that price. After the first one or two microderms I thought maybe I looked better, (more refreshed) but the more I had it done and the more aggressive they got the worse I liked it. Do some checking around; maybe you will find someone that really likes it.

    Well, I have read it at several places about your skin could/would become resistant to a certain type of acid peel. Like they say if your skin doesnít seem to respond to the Glycolic anymore then change to Lactic. I have also talked to someone that has done light peels for years. She said that she prefers to alternate her acids to keep from getting less response from one acid and still get good benefits from both.

    I use Retin-A 0.1%. I just started back with the Retin A, a few months ago. Retin A will help with new collagen and new skin turn over. Itís supposed to make your skin become thicker and stimulate new collagen growth. Of course, itís nothing like a TCA Peel (it takes time). You may not want to start with the 0.1%, which is the strongest, maybe .5%. Because Retin A can be irritating. Iím surprised you didnít have to use Retin A before your TCA Peel. That is one of the requirements my doctor had. He told me to at least use the Retin A 2-3 weeks prior to the peel, and only wash with a gentle soap free cleanser and use a gentle moisturizer. No AHAís or BHAís during that time.

    Well, I do know that my Vitamin C Serum improves skin tone (It gave me a nice glow too). After only about 2 weeks of use I could see a difference. Other things Vitamin C is supposed to do, is to prevent the appearance of future aging, fights oxy radical attack, anti-oxidant, improves elasticity and firmness.

    The main reason why I use the Vitamin C is for the skin tone, antioxidant, and to try and fight off any future signs of aging LOL. You use the Vitamin C Serum in the AM and the Retin A at night.

    I do use SkinCeuticals whole line for my skin type, and I do love it.

    Yes, they do have the Skin Culture Peel at that same website where you bought your Lactic Acid. They call it the Non-Glycolic Acid Peel. Itís like the One-Day, Two-Day, Three-Day, and the Four-Day Deep Non-Glycolic Acid Peel. It is the same peel. Somebody from this board or maybe it was another board said that he/she had purchased the Skin Culture from their website and then purchased the Non-Glycolic Peel (from the website you bought your Lactic). He/She said it was the same exact peel and had Skin Culture Peel written on the kit. So you have done a Skin Culture Peel.

    Following a Lactic with a Microderm did very well for me indeed. This I will probably do again. Just be careful the first time and only leave the Lactic on for maybe a minute and see how you do. You can always go an extra minute the next time.

    Although I havenít did any home microderms so they may be gentler. Let me know how they work for you. Actually the home microderms may be better since crystals arenít beating on your face and then sucked back up. You may get good results.

    Iím going to try very hard to make it to my doctorís appointment tomorrow afternoon. When I go I will be sure and get as much information as I can about how soon I can do another peel (in problem areas only). I will be sure and let you know what he says.

    If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.



     
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    Hi, Tif--

    Power Peel, Derma Peel, Crystal Peel, etc. are names of different companies' microderm machines. Not every machine works the same way or uses the same size and type of crystal, and the machines vary in quality and results on the skin. It's my understanding that Power Peel is the highest quality machine out there, although I have never had a microderm. I know a girl who had a series of microderms, and she said it greatly improved her crater scars and smoothed out her skin. Most people seem to really like microderms, but I have heard of a few people who, like you, say it made their scars worse. And my dermatologist thinks it's a complete waste of money.

    Do you use Retin-A Micro? I would prefer to use Micro instead of the original Retin-A. I want to go with the .04% to avoid irritation, but I can't find a reasonable price anywhere. Most online pharmacies only sell the .1%, and I want to buy from a Canadian pharmacy because it's much cheaper. I should have used it before my TCA peels, but I just never got around to it. I don't stop using my AHAs or BHAs prior to the TCA.

    I visited SkinCeuticals' website, and the products look good, but they don't list the ingredients.

    Good luck on making it to your doctor's appointment today. If you're like me, you must be dying to get out of the house already.
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    Hi <B>Ellah</B>,

    All I know is that I had microderms. I will call both places that I had my microderms and ask if they called it the <I>Power Peel, Derma Peel, Crystal Peel, Persian Peel, Lunchtime Peel, Mid-Day Facelift, etc.. </I>You have gotten me curious now. I will try and call them tomorrow if not I will do it Monday; I will let you know what they tell me.

    Also, the more I think about it the more I think I might not have another microderm done even if I was planning to come home and do the Lactic Acid afterward. Iím too scared it might mess up anything positive that I have gotten from my TCA Peel. Such as smoothing out the shallow scars, etc. Of course, I donít know this for a fact, but I really donít want to risk it. I mean shooting out crystals that are beating on your face and then sucking then back up. Remember, thatís just my thoughts, I have no hard evidence that this could happen, but I think I will make professional microderms a thing of the past.

    I do have to agree with your Dermatologist on his/her comment about microderms, ďcomplete waste of money.Ē That is my opinion too though, you have seen others that think that they have helped them. Unfortunately they didnít help me. Although, Iím very interested in your home microderm kit, please let me know how that works for you. You only have to rub that on your skin, right?

    No, I use the original Retin-A. I think the Retin-A Micro is better for active acne. I have heard, but I donít know this for a fact, that the original Retin-A is better for stimulating new collagen. If you want me to, I will try and find out more information on this and let you know. If you find some information before me, please let me know.

    I get my Retin-A prescriptions from my derm. Although, this doctor (the Plastic Surgeon who did my TCA Peel) asked if I needed some Retin-A and I told him yes, so he gave me a prescription. That will just save me a trip to the derms office for a new prescription LOL. I only pay $20.00 co-pay with my insurance. Do you have insurance? If so, you can get a prescription from your derm. Itís covered under insurance, because itís used for acne. You can get him to give you some samples too. You are only supposed to use a pea sized amount on your whole face (which is something I find impossible).

    About the SkinCeuticals, let me know what product/products you are interested in and I will give you the ingredients. I use the whole line for my skin type. I also save the boxes the products come in and the ingredients are written on the box. So just let me know.

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    Old 11-26-2002, 11:45 PM   #58
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    <B>8 Days TCA Post-Peel</B>

    <I>Well, 8 days have come and gone.</I>
    This morning I still had some skin on my cheeks that had rolled backward away from my mouth and nose area since last night and some skin around my hairline.

    When I washed my face it came off of my cheeks. BTW, the way I wash my face really helps. I wet my face lather up some Neutrogena facial bar on my hands and pat it all over my face and then I cup water in both hands and just press it on my face, I rinse like this for about five minutes. I then repeat the whole process one time. I still had some skin in my hairline after the face wash.

    I was very excited about getting ready to go to my doctorís appointment today. I actually washed my hair three times in the shower to get rid of all that emollient, because I knew I wasnít going to use it anymore!! I wanted to look good today because I have been hibernating for 8 days, plus my doctor is kind of cute LOL.

    Iíll tell you this, all I put on my face before I left for the doctorís office was, Oil of Olay oil free moisturizer original, a little bit of eyeliner, touched up my eyelashes with some mascara, and some neutral shade lip gloss. I have to admit my skin looked better than it used to look before the peel when Iíd spend a lot of time putting on foundation, powder, blush, etc. Iím being totally honest too, as I have been throughout my whole diary.

    I still have a couple of pink spots but they have really reduced in color since yesterday. They arenít that noticeable anymore.

    Iím very pleased with the results from my TCA Peel.

    The TCA Peel has definitely reduced my pore size, my shallow scars are smoother, and I have a nice clean healthy, refreshed appearance.

    I did ask about my next TCA Peel. I wanted him to at least touch up the area where my huge inflamed pimple was. He said that we do need to get rid of that. What he wants to get rid of is a mole that gets a huge cyst underneath it and flares up very large. It hasnít flared up in a few years, because I had a derm give me a shot of cortisone underneath the mole and I havenít had a problem since with it flaring up. Until I was messing with my face the week before the peel trying to get rid of a blackhead that was very close to the mole. Anyway he wants to cut the mole and underlying cyst off December the 30th.

    He said the only way he would give a TCA Peel four weeks after the first is if he only did a light percentage TCA Peel the first time.

    He said the soonest he would do another 35% TCA Peel would be six weeks but he does not recommend it (he said I would have to twist his arm to do it). He told me that your collagen is still growing and at 8 weeks it would have reached 80% growth. The other 20% could continue to grow for up to one to one and half years. So, there is no way I would want to do another 35% TCA Peel before 8 weeks.

    So the plan is 12/30/02 get the mole and whatever it is that grows underneath it off, then mid to late January (when this removal heals) have a touch up peel on my problem areas (checks, chin).

    I made him promise that he would not make me have a depressed or indented scar from this mole/cyst (which is on my cheek) removal. He said it would probably leave a line looking scar. He also said that the line scar would look much better than the raised mole that has shallow scars in and around it, which was caused from it flaring up so much. Hopefully the TCA Peel in January will help eliminate that line looking scar too.

    <B><I>I do plan to keep updating daily of any progress I have in my diary for maybe a week. After that I will probably update weekly. If anyone has any questions or comments feel free to ask me. I know I had a whole lot of questions before I had my TCA Peel.</I></B>
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    Old 11-26-2002, 11:45 PM   #59
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    TifaniesSecret,

    is there a generic version of the Vit. C serum? could I goto my local drugstore and buy it?

     
    Old 11-27-2002, 12:21 AM   #60
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    Hi <B>Canada2K</B>,

    You can try going to a drugstore and asking the pharmacist, or maybe calling one. Or, perhaps he/she could order you something.

    You need a Vitamin C Serum that has <I>15%-20% L-Ascorbic Acid</I> in the Serum. Most over-the-counter Vitamin C products have so little of the <I>L-Ascorbic Acid </I>in it, that it doesn't even penetrate the skin.

    I have seen SkinCeuticals at online pharmacy's that are less expensive. You may be able to find a different brand of Vitamin C Serum that has the <I>15%-20% L-Ascorbic Acid </I>in the Serum. I wish you luck.

    BTW, the SkinCeuticals Vitamin C Serum usually lasts me around 3 to 4 months because you are only using it in the morning. I would highly recommend it to smokers too.

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