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    Old 05-02-2016, 09:36 PM   #1
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    Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Hi all. One night, About a few weeks ago, I had excruciating lower abdomal pain. So then I went to my GP and he found traces of blood in my urine but the test showed no infection. So then he prescribed me with an antibiotic and a week later, there was no longer blood in my urine. However, two days after taking the antibiotic, I started having urinary retention. So I went to see my urologist twice. First visit, my post void residual was 55ml. Then my second visit it was 105ml.

    In addition, I've had minor tingling in my arms occasionally. I've also felt aches and pains in the weirdest places that lasts for weeks (this time it's the joint in my right arm).

    Also, about 2 months ago I started getting minor pain around my left eye socket. I went to see an ophthalmologist and everything checked out good. But until this day, sometimes when I roll my eyeball upwards, it would hurt.

    Oh also my back often hurts. Nothing too extreme though. The pain is tolerable even without medication.

    By the way, I am only 37 years old. No kids. Blood work checked out all good.

    Could this be early signs of Multiple sclerosis? I do smoke and drink (alcohol). I've been a drinker for most of my life. Although after all this I've slowed down quite a bit. Can previous alcoholism cause MS?

    Please help! Any advice is greatly appreciated!

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 06:28 AM   #2
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

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    Can previous alcoholism cause MS?
    No.

    However, alcohol/alcoholism can cause Neuropathy.

    There are some antibiotics that are known for causing Neurological symptoms and can sometimes be permanent.

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    about 2 months ago I started getting minor pain around my left eye socket. I went to see an ophthalmologist and everything checked out good. But until this day, sometimes when I roll my eyeball upwards, it would hurt.
    Your Ophthalmologist didn't find any problems with your eye which is a good sign. Did you ask what he thought was causing you eye pain?

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    I started having urinary retention. So I went to see my urologist twice. First visit, my post void residual was 55ml. Then my second visit it was 105ml.
    What did your Urologist say?

    I'm not really sure how or why you are connecting Multiple Sclerosis to what you are experiencing, If MS was suspected by your Drs. you would be referred to a Neurologist.

    There is a diagnostic criteria for MS, The revised McDonald Criteria. There is no symptom unique or exclusive to MS as many other conditions have the same symptoms as those seen in MS. All other conditions need to be ruled out as part of the diagnostic criteria.

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 07:42 AM   #3
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

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    No.

    However, alcohol/alcoholism can cause Neuropathy.

    There are some antibiotics that are known for causing Neurological symptoms and can sometimes be permanent.
    Thank you. Good to know. I'll need to do some research on neuropathy. I'm assuming neuropathy can cause bladder dysfunction.


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    Your Ophthalmologist didn't find any problems with your eye which is a good sign. Did you ask what he thought was causing you eye pain?
    He thought it was the punctal plug that's located in the inner corner of my eye. However, I went to an oculoplastic surgeon as well...and he did NOT think the pain was from the plug. He thought it may have something to do with sinuses. Then i was on a antibiotic for sinus infection and that did absolutely nothing (except give me bad side effects). Therefore, no doctor (out of the 3-4 that I saw) was able to give me a definite answer on my eye pain.


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    What did your Urologist say?

    I'm not really sure how or why you are connecting Multiple Sclerosis to what you are experiencing, If MS was suspected by your Drs. you would be referred to a Neurologist.

    There is a diagnostic criteria for MS, The revised McDonald Criteria. There is no symptom unique or exclusive to MS as many other conditions have the same symptoms as those seen in MS. All other conditions need to be ruled out as part of the diagnostic criteria.
    Well long story short, I am new to the area (just moved to SW Florida). And the GP I currently have...is terrible to say the least. Also I haven't mentioned any of my pains and aches (arm pain/back pain) to any doctor yet. Each doctor I've seen knows about one problem but not the others.

    My urologist thought it was odd to have such high post residual numbers at 37. All my urine samples and abdominal CT scans came out pretty good. She wants to do a cystoscopy next (ihave that scheduled in two weeks). If that comes out good...I'll probably see a neurologist.

    Why are you baffled that I'm relating all this to MS? The common signs are pain, bladder dysfunction (and/or urine retention), eye issues (eyeball pain).

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 07:56 AM   #4
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Needhelp32,

    Alcoholism does not cause MS, in fact, after 700+ years, medical science still cannot determine the cause. That said, Smoking and drinking can cause damage to the central nervous system which could present like MS in some individuals. Smoking has been shown to be more detrimental to women. Studies have pointed to the combination of smoking and estrogen raising the risk higher in women than in men.

    Urinary retention has any number of possible causes. Some MSers have bladder and bowel issues. For me, I have frequency increases when I am under stress. I have never had retention of constipation issues.

    I do not think that which you have shared is MS related, but I do think that it could be smoking and drinking related, especially if you have done this for most of your life. A lifestyle change may make a difference, though there is no guarantee. An exercise program may benefit you greatly.
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    Old 05-03-2016, 08:47 AM   #5
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    Alcoholism does not cause MS, in fact, after 700+ years, medical science still cannot determine the cause. That said, Smoking and drinking can cause damage to the central nervous system which could present like MS in some individuals. Smoking has been shown to be more detrimental to women. Studies have pointed to the combination of smoking and estrogen raising the risk higher in women than in men.

    Urinary retention has any number of possible causes. Some MSers have bladder and bowel issues. For me, I have frequency increases when I am under stress. I have never had retention of constipation issues.

    I do not think that which you have shared is MS related, but I do think that it could be smoking and drinking related, especially if you have done this for most of your life. A lifestyle change may make a difference, though there is no guarantee. An exercise program may benefit you greatly.

    Thank you for your kind input! Yes, I also have frequency under stress. But now to think of it, you may be right with the smoking and drinking. I have cut down a lot but definitely need to quit both completely and get back to running/cardio. I am somewhat relieved after reading your post so big thanks again to you

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 08:53 AM   #6
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Needhelp32,

    If you plan on quitting both, have your cardiologist clear you and your GP might be able to assist you on getting started in the transition. It is not easy, but you can do it The benefits start internally almost immediately.
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    Old 05-03-2016, 08:58 AM   #7
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Also, may I ask....what were your first symptoms from MS? I know everyone has different issues. After this long, how have you been able to manage? Are you on a lot of medication? Are you currently on a workout plan? How are your eating habits?

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 09:01 AM   #8
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

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    Needhelp32,

    If you plan on quitting both, have your cardiologist clear you and your GP might be able to assist you on getting started in the transition. It is not easy, but you can do it The benefits start internally almost immediately.

    I currently don't have a cardiologist. May I ask why I need to be cleared? The drinking I stopped from January through April 2016 and had no issues. The smoking is a bit harder...sigh. I have tried numerous times and failed. Perhaps I can go on a patch or something but even those have side effects.

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 09:50 AM   #9
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Needhelp32,

    If you have been drinking and smoking and lacking exercise, a cardiologist or a GP at the very least should check you out just to make sure no problems may arise. They may also lend you advice on getting started.

    My first symptom was probably foot drop. I missed all the symptoms for 5 years until I got a big hint and saw the right doctor. MS can often be missed or overlooked. My MS is progressive and no meds are available. I get an annual flu shot, try to do things and eat in moderation. Exercise for me is now walking or stationary passive exercise bike. I stretch daily and keep moving.

    I do take a supplement of Vitamin D3 as my MS Specialist did not want my D level to plummet. While never deficient, she prefers her patients to maintain a steady level (the D level can change throughout the year). Before my MS worsened in 2002, I enjoyed power lifting, although I used caution and spotters during those years.

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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

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    Why are you baffled that I'm relating all this to MS? The common signs are pain, bladder dysfunction (and/or urine retention), eye issues (eyeball pain).
    Symptoms are things we experience and/or feel.

    Signs are clinical evidence. This can be positive testing pointing towards a possible cause for symptoms and/or a Physicians exam which would point to a possible problem.

    Multiple Sclerosis is a disease of the Central Nervous System(CNS) which includes the brain, spinal cord and optic nerves.

    Your eye exam by two (?) specialists did not find anything wrong with your eye(s). That is good news! If it was related to MS an exam/testing would have indicated there was a problem. It's possible your eye pain is due to something benign.

    Peripheral Neuropathy (PN) is the nervous system outside of the CNS. PN can cause many of the same symptoms as those seen in MS and Alcohol can be one of several causes for PN.

    The symptoms you are listing can be caused by many things and is not exclusive to MS.

     
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    Old 05-03-2016, 04:14 PM   #11
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

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    Needhelp32,

    If you have been drinking and smoking and lacking exercise, a cardiologist or a GP at the very least should check you out just to make sure no problems may arise. They may also lend you advice on getting started.

    My first symptom was probably foot drop. I missed all the symptoms for 5 years until I got a big hint and saw the right doctor. MS can often be missed or overlooked. My MS is progressive and no meds are available. I get an annual flu shot, try to do things and eat in moderation. Exercise for me is now walking or stationary passive exercise bike. I stretch daily and keep moving.

    I do take a supplement of Vitamin D3 as my MS Specialist did not want my D level to plummet. While never deficient, she prefers her patients to maintain a steady level (the D level can change throughout the year). Before my MS worsened in 2002, I enjoyed power lifting, although I used caution and spotters during those years.

    Thanks! I will definitely consult a physician prior to starting a plan.

    Wow that's incredible.. after all these years you've been able to manage the symptoms. Have you noticed improvement with taking vitamin D supplements? I was very very low (9) at one point. Now I'm at a 37. I hear vitamin D has an effect on MS but I wasn't sure how much.

     
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    Symptoms are things we experience and/or feel.

    Signs are clinical evidence. This can be positive testing pointing towards a possible cause for symptoms and/or a Physicians exam which would point to a possible problem.

    Multiple Sclerosis is a disease of the Central Nervous System(CNS) which includes the brain, spinal cord and optic nerves.

    Your eye exam by two (?) specialists did not find anything wrong with your eye(s). That is good news! If it was related to MS an exam/testing would have indicated there was a problem. It's possible your eye pain is due to something benign.

    Peripheral Neuropathy (PN) is the nervous system outside of the CNS. PN can cause many of the same symptoms as those seen in MS and Alcohol can be one of several causes for PN.

    The symptoms you are listing can be caused by many things and is not exclusive to MS.
    Thanks for the advice. I realize sometimes I can overlook and overthink things. So if I had MS the symptoms would be a lot worse? I just thought maybe I'm in the early stages and my issues may be gradually getting worse. I am scheduled to see another GP (who happens to be one of the best in town) next Friday so I will mention ALL the issues I'm having.

     
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    Re: Bladder issues and other minor symptoms -- possible MS?

    Needhelp32,

    A level of 9 for Vitamin D can succinctly mimic MS. About 15% of those presenting with MS like symptoms have a vitamin D deficiency. The recovery can take some time. For me, I was never deficient. My MS Specialist wanted to make sure it did not become a factor.

    Vitamin D has often been researched, but no connection has ever been made with MS. It is one of many MS mimicries.

    I have learned what my triggers are. I have avoidable and unavoidable triggers. If I avoid the avoidable triggers, I have found that I have more control over my MS problems.
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    Needhelp32,

    A level of 9 for Vitamin D can succinctly mimic MS. About 15% of those presenting with MS like symptoms have a vitamin D deficiency. The recovery can take some time. For me, I was never deficient. My MS Specialist wanted to make sure it did not become a factor.

    Vitamin D has often been researched, but no connection has ever been made with MS. It is one of many MS mimicries.

    I have learned what my triggers are. I have avoidable and unavoidable triggers. If I avoid the avoidable triggers, I have found that I have more control over my MS problems.
    Ah I see. I'm surprised it's only 15%. Well good to know.

    I can imagine how important it is to know your triggers. Did your specialist know how you got MS? Hereditary?

     
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    Needhelp32,

    After 700 years, doctors still have no knowledge about what causes MS to present. Hereditary links have been investigated, but no links have ever been found. If you have a blood sibling with MS, your chances are higher for MS, NUT the risk is still statistically insignificant.
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