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    Old 01-07-2004, 04:31 PM   #1
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    addiction center tells me no help 4 ambien

    Today I called an addiction center to ask for help for getting off ambien (let me clarify) if there is help to be bought. The woman said no, that while they do know there is a large potential for abuse etc, there is no help to get off it. This is one of the largest most respected hospitals in the country telling me this so I assume its true. She told me I needed to taper off, I told her I tried. I tried to sweat in a sauna, go for 4 days until I was red eyeed and couldnt walk straight but I cant fall asleep w. out. what can i do?
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    Old 01-21-2004, 06:21 PM   #2
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    Sorry i was looking for one of my NA posts that get deleted all the time Cant find it!!!!!! WHY!!!! anyway, most treatment centers wont help you with hypnotic drugs because of..... liability, yes sad but true. There is potential for serious complications. It's funny what you find out on the inside. It makes me sick. I can lead you in the right direction if you want but I cant make promises. Dont go into a sauna you can have a stroke.

     
    Old 01-21-2004, 11:26 PM   #3
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    Is the body more sensitive to heat if your on a hypnotic drug? I spoke to one place in san diego, called matrix or something that said they could talk to me about doing a treatment plan, I found a place online called narcon or something close, but nothing I recongnize.
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    Old 01-22-2004, 03:56 AM   #4
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    Have you spoken to your doctor about it? If you can't find any help, I don't know what else you can do?? Maybe meetings? I'm thinking about you and feel your desperation. You will get through this. Even if it's tapering by yourself. The mind can do whatever it wants too.

     
    Old 01-22-2004, 08:56 AM   #5
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    if you stop this med your bp might elevate, so it's not a good idea to go into extreme heat. Before you talk to your doctor read up about it because he'll just treat you like a pompous a**. You'll have a better chance getting of off ambien because it's a non benzo hypnotic. You cant take this drug everynight and if you do, you have to take it in cycles. Try breaking the pills until you get to little chips. Im sure your anxiety level is quite high so try to drain your self out during the day. I clean the house and take a lot of warm showers. Also try drinking lots of green tea, you'll be urinating a lot but that's the trick. Maybe even try the one with Kava. It's good to keep contact with other people with similar experiences but dont try anything that seems iffy. Like loading up on caffeine like ive read before here. The broken ones will try and help you, I will.....

     
    Old 01-22-2004, 01:45 PM   #6
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    Re: addiction center tells me no help 4 ambien

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    Today I called an addiction center to ask for help for getting off ambien (let me clarify) if there is help to be bought. The woman said no, that while they do know there is a large potential for abuse etc, there is no help to get off it. This is one of the largest most respected hospitals in the country telling me this so I assume its true. She told me I needed to taper off, I told her I tried. I tried to sweat in a sauna, go for 4 days until I was red eyeed and couldnt walk straight but I cant fall asleep w. out. what can i do?
    OMG; I am so sorry this has happened to you ! I used to take Amb. also .
    don't stop suddenly like that. Just break off tiny chips until you have enough of a pill left to fall asleep. Each night break off another little chip with your teeth. Continue this for a few weeks until you're down to NO pill at all. Then you May have to go on something not so addictive.
    Please keep us posted.

     
    Old 01-22-2004, 02:09 PM   #7
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    It is so strange to me how doctors can tell you different things. I went to see a sleep specialist about 5 years ago and ofcourse, he gave me Ambien. He couldn't stress enough that is was non-addictive and he had no problem with me taking it every night????

    My OB has given it to me befoe (several years ago) and she gave me like 60 with 4 refills, so obviously she didn't have a problem with me taking it every night and she is very "ticky" about what she prescribes (I asked for Xanax once after the birth of my second child and I was going out of my mind from sleep deprivation and she only gave me 10 of the .25mgs.) And she has only given me pain meds after the birth of my children- that's it! And then you have me phsychiatrist who give me 90 1mgs of Xanax a month with five refills.

    Why is it there is such conflicting information from our doctors?
    It is confusing-
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    Old 01-22-2004, 02:49 PM   #8
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    It is so strange to me how doctors can tell you different things. I went to see a sleep specialist about 5 years ago and ofcourse, he gave me Ambien. He couldn't stress enough that is was non-addictive and he had no problem with me taking it every night????

    My OB has given it to me befoe (several years ago) and she gave me like 60 with 4 refills, so obviously she didn't have a problem with me taking it every night and she is very "ticky" about what she prescribes (I asked for Xanax once after the birth of my second child and I was going out of my mind from sleep deprivation and she only gave me 10 of the .25mgs.) And she has only given me pain meds after the birth of my children- that's it! And then you have me phsychiatrist who give me 90 1mgs of Xanax a month with five refills.

    Why is it there is such conflicting information from our doctors?
    It is confusing-
    Michelle
    Dunno, but who's the psychiatrist?? LOL !!

     
    Old 01-22-2004, 02:57 PM   #9
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    Yeah, I have family members that are amazed that he gives me so many and he says he has no problem with me taking these for the rest of my life. Now, I don't take what he prescribes (1mg three times a day), I half them when I take them and I have told him this and he continues to write 90 with 5 refills! Not kidding, I have friends and family call for his name and number-LOL! I know it is not a laughing matter as these are very addictive and have caused many people alot of problems, but he his convinced I need these daily (and he has told me before he rarely prescribes Xanax and is not a pill-pusher.....)! Weird????

    Take care SusanGene,
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    Old 01-22-2004, 04:26 PM   #10
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    Every doctor has his own point of view.... I said before my doctor had me on 10mg valium in the morning, 1mg xanax every 4 hours and 60mg of resoril WITH 45mg of remeron before bed time. I was like, yeahhhh ok buddy and filled them (of course) because I did a lot of pill swapping. I wont lie.

    But all I want now is my 2mg Klonopin and my remeron because I want to get better. I dont even want to take this methadone again but I have no choice, The suboxone was so much easier because I could get it in 30 counts but this is vegas and the doctors are LEAVING not coming so I cant find a GOOD suboxone doctor here yet. We only have 2 out patient subox doctors so far, the rest use subutex in recovery centers but im used to the acute phase and motrin or darvon will keep me from suffering at least, so I dont bother "paying" for the subutex. It's bad enough you have to pay 7 grand to sit in a bed for 5 days and be ignored.

    As far as the hypnotic drugs, your w/d symptoms are going to be the OPPOSITE of what the drug is used for, insomnia, anxiety, seizures ect... but 10,000 times worse than they were before you started the med, so the doctors will keep filling the meds and upping your dose assuming you're getting worse but the more they give, the worse you're going to get.

    There is a liquid form of "valium" that can be taken oraly, but they will not script it and they only use it for pre-op if you are nervous, but they DO give liquid "oxycodone". At least with the liquid valium you dont have to crush and fuss. There is also a liquid form of "paxil" for titration if you were on an SSRI.

     
    Old 01-23-2004, 06:09 AM   #11
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    All right now I am getting real nervous, I am in the same boat, I quit the opiates today being one month clean. (What a great thing) so of course I had major issues with sleeping so I go to my doctor he gives me ambien no problem 10mg pills one at nite. I have been on them everynight for about a month. Never thought anything of it, I have been reading all this now and think this sucks I can't win. I survived the opiate addiction and now just wanted to get a good night sleep at night and now I will probably have trouble getting off the ambien.

    Do you build a tolerance with the ambien? I have not noticed at all needing more.

    Talk to you all soon
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    Old 01-23-2004, 06:22 AM   #12
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    All right now I am getting real nervous, I am in the same boat, I quit the opiates today being one month clean. (What a great thing) so of course I had major issues with sleeping so I go to my doctor he gives me ambien no problem 10mg pills one at nite. I have been on them everynight for about a month. Never thought anything of it, I have been reading all this now and think this sucks I can't win. I survived the opiate addiction and now just wanted to get a good night sleep at night and now I will probably have trouble getting off the ambien.

    Do you build a tolerance with the ambien? I have not noticed at all needing more.

    Talk to you all soon
    Gregg
    hi, I built a tolerance FAST with just half a tablet ! They were EXTREMELY addictive for me. I can't stand them, to be honest. Worse pill I"ve ever taken.

     
    Old 01-23-2004, 10:04 AM   #13
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    I've never understood how people get hooked on Ambien.

    I've been taking it for years now, and it has saved me in terms of my sleeping problems.

    I have gone without it, and have trouble sleeping, but never have WD's from it. That has never been something I've heard of.

    I think you are a rare case. Most people don't get WD's from it.

     
    Old 01-23-2004, 11:02 AM   #14
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    Susan, yes I do understand the tolerance and needing extra eventually. What is weird is that I actually like the way they make me feel when I take them (before I go to sleep). The next day I admit I sometimes need a little extra caffeine, though, but I don't feel as bad as you do. I am glad my doctor (my ob/gyn) monitors my intake (just 30 a month), so if I do start taking 2 I get a forced holiday. I actually didn't expect her to approve my refill, so I was pleasantly surprised. I am really going to try to save them for nights when I have withdrawals and lack of sleep from decreasing my hydro dose (I am tapering down to get off of them, and some of the steps down hit me harder than others).

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    Old 01-23-2004, 12:25 PM   #15
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    Yeah, I have family members that are amazed that he gives me so many and he says he has no problem with me taking these for the rest of my life. Now, I don't take what he prescribes (1mg three times a day), I half them when I take them and I have told him this and he continues to write 90 with 5 refills! Not kidding, I have friends and family call for his name and number-LOL! I know it is not a laughing matter as these are very addictive and have caused many people alot of problems, but he his convinced I need these daily (and he has told me before he rarely prescribes Xanax and is not a pill-pusher.....)! Weird????

    Take care SusanGene,
    Michelle
    If this guy is not a pill pusher then my a** is a banana!
    His behaviour is unprofessional and negligent - why not sue him?
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