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    Old 05-23-2006, 02:48 PM   #1
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    Cervical Kyphosis

    Hi, I'm new here. I recently had an X-ray done by a chiropractor of my neck on the recommendation of a nurse. I have been having lots of symptoms such as extreme coldness, unilateral sweating when I'm not hot, more coldness in my right hand, some tingling in my right hand, seeing yellow spots, dizziness, occasional blacking out (maybe 6 times in my life, I'm 24). After being told by two physicians that my blood work is normal, I'm a healthy weight and I'm young and active so I shouldn't worry. Well I know my body and I know something was wrong. The x-rays that the chiropractor showed me were obvious. My neck is stick straight with a curvature at the very top the wrong way. Because of the blowing off I had by the other two doctors I trusted him way too quickly (and mind you i've always been leary of chirpractors). My cervical kyphosis he believes was cuased by a fall when I was 14. He told me that I have not gone into disc degeneration and everything else looks healthy. He then began treatment. He has done nothing to scare me but I'm scaring myself because I've always been so leary of them. I have a CT scan planned for this Thursday and I'm sure will have an MRI soon also. Should I stop going to the chiropractor until I have the results back? Does anyone knows much about cervical kyphosis? I am only 24 and clearly do not want to have to deal with surgery this young which is why I believe I put my trust in the chiropractor. I guess I'm just not sure what to do and doctors just seem to blow me off because I'm so young and look so healthy. But I am an ex gymnast which is what caught the chiros attention. Thank god I just happened to get insurance a couple months ago, but all of this at once is scaring me. I guess it's hard to believe that a fall 10 years ago that seemed to only cause pain for a week or so could be causing so much trouble. I just don't want to do any harm but I also want all this to go away. THanks for any advice.

    I should also note that I am not in that much pain- everyday stiffness of my back and neck, and especially soreness in my neck but I've always lived with that. I still am able to do most activities, I just ran in a 10K last week and can still even tumble from time to time. The small amount of pain I have I could live with, it's the symptoms and thought that it could be affecting my brain that worry me.

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    Old 05-23-2006, 02:58 PM   #2
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    I was in a similar situation and decided to cease chiropractic care while I undewent an MRI and CT Scan and then had them reviewed by a radiologist and a neurosurgeon and orthopedic surgeon. Once you meet with either a neurosurgeon or orthopedic spine surgeon you can ask that physician what they would suggest in as a treatment plan and if chiropractic is a viable option for you.
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    Old 05-23-2006, 07:21 PM   #3
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    I don't know anything about kyphosis.

    You made reference to your brain. To ease my mind, I'd see a Neurologist (not the same as a Neurosurgeon). They know all the nitty gritty about your nervous system, if that's even involved.

    Maybe the symptoms mean nothing, maybe not.

    If it is something, that doesn't necessarily have to mean surgery.

    And you'll be happy you caught it now.

     
    Old 05-24-2006, 07:14 AM   #4
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    something like this,I would most definitely seek out a neurosurgeon and not a neurologist,really,I have seen many of both over the years I have been dealing with a host of neuro issues and if its more than just a headache,I would most definitely seek out an NS anyday over a neurologist,the NSs just have so much more hands on experience with the tiniest of nerves in the brain and the neck that any neurologist just cannot even compare to.Plus the fact that NSs routinely are actually IN the spine and the brain.just my opinion given alot of experience in seeing both types of specialists.an NS would be able to much better explain the most intricate parts of what you are really dealing with here.

    with regard to seeing this chiro for any further treatments,thats a definite NO.at least til you find out just exactly what you are really dealing with and the risks involved.I honestly would never seek out a chiro for anything above the top of the thorasic spine,really.once you get past the c 8 nerve on up you are in some very highly innervated areas that control some very vital functions.there have been tons of documented cases of chiros causing anything from paralyzations to dissected vertebral arteries when they were just doing those "adjustments" in an area with conditions that they never ever should have even touched in the first place.considering just how far up in the c spine your problem is,it would be one heck of a risky venture at this point in time.i would really hold off on seeing this chiro for anything more than a consult til you have a much better idea of whats going on up there and the extent of the actual nerve and possible cord involvement.

    did this chiro tell you just exactly what IS involved here with regard to where the curvature actually is?Is this at the very top of the c spine area at like the atlantis/axis?or the c 1-2?or even into the lower brainstem(pons?)the fact that your neuro symptoms actually are affecting some brain activity and the sweating issues,could indicate some very specific areas.usually,the sweating issues are more related to an sns (sympathetic nervous system )issue.this could very easily be affected as the sympathetic chain does run down along both sides of the outer vertebrae.my SNS was pretty significantly damaged during my spinal cord surgery and i have huge sweating issues from that and the damage to the spinothalamic tract that lies inside the cord itself.

    depending on the degree of the curvature you could actually have some level of cord compression.this would be the biggest reason to avoid any chiro adjustments.you just really need to totally leave that area alone til you know for sure what the actual level of affected area really is and just to what extent.

    personally,I am wondering why you are not going right to the MRI as the CT will not actually show the nerve affectation at all.CTs are great for looking at the more hard or boney structures and to check for bleeding inside the brain,but as for really seeing whats up within the cord and the nerve level,well it is not going to tell you that and that is what you really do need to know.

    who actually referred you for the CT/was it the chiro or your primary?I would really speak with your primary about the very real need for the MRI instead of the CT.why waste your time and money on a test that will not actually get down to the areas that need to be seen?since you are probably(any good doc would automatically do this for your type of a problem)going to end up having to have the MRI at some point,why even bother with the ct at all,you know?it just really seems like a waste to me but maybe there is some sort of protocal that needs to be followed per your ins co or something?

    you just really need to find out whats up within that afected area and please stay away from that chiro for now,he could just end up making things much worse for you in the long run ya know?once an adjustment has been done,it cannot be undone.You are just dealing within a very delicate and heavily innervated area,so you do have to be a bit more careful than you would if this was not in the c spine.It is also possible that given the location of the curve and your other neuro related symptoms that this is also affecting the brain somewhat or at the very least,some of the cranial nerves.you just need to be careful thats all.hopefully there isn't any major damage or affectation in that area but you will most definitely be needing that MRI to really get the best possible look into that curved area.

    I wish you luck with this and please keep us all posted here as to what you find out.hopefully this isn't a major huge issue.kyphosis is a very common occurance,i have it too,but yours is just in a bit higher risk area.Marcia
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    Old 05-24-2006, 07:25 AM   #5
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    Thanks for the reply. I told the chiro office this morning that I wanted to hold off until further tests were done. I didn't want to go to one in the first place, I got talked into it. They of course want me to come in to talk about it. But I just don't feel comfortable the more I look into it. And yes he is the one who suggested the CT scan, two previous doctors I had gone to didn't suggest anything, they just blew my symptoms off once my blood work came back normal. I know I need an MRI also. My insurance supposedly covers 100% of everything past my deductable which is already met. Hopefully the specialist at the imaging place will have more advice for me. I'm just at a loss as to what to do since it seems no one can believe I'm having any problems just because I look and act healthy and I'm sure since I'm so young.
    I do remember the chiro talking about something in the mid part of my neck, but I do believe the curvature is in the top two vertebrae from what I saw on the x-ray. I have been able to find very little on what curvature of the cervical means. Thanks again for the advice, I'm sure I'll be asking more questions in the future.
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    Old 05-25-2006, 06:01 AM   #6
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    that normal curve of the neck that is there in most "normal" looking necks,is actually called 'lordosis"try looking up reversal of lordosis.or just kyphosis.hopefully you can find some info just googling those words.

    I am just wondering why your docs would just "blow you off" because of bloodwork when this is an actual cervical problem,there is no bloodwork that can be done to actually rule in or rule out any sort of structural/mechanical type of problem within the c spine.I would go back to your primary doc with the new info you have found out about the problem up at the c 1-2 area and request that am MRI be done to try and determine the true extent of the damage/problems up there.i would think that once you tell him about what was shown on the chiros x ray that that alone would prompt him to actually 'believe' that you do indeed have some spinal issues that need attention and evaluation.at the very least ask him to do a simple c spine series of x rays on you c spine while you are at his office so he can see for himself what the chiro found.

    but you DO need to actually discuss this all with your primary since he is basically the one who co ordinates your actual healthcare along with referring you to other specialists for specific issues when needed.you most definitely need to be evaluated by a neurosurgeon and not a neurologist.they are just not quite as knowledgeable about these types of issues as a good NS would be.trust me on that one.

    let me know how things go will ya/good luck,Marcia
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    Old 05-28-2006, 12:45 PM   #7
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    Re: Cervical Kyphosis

    I am 24 years old and recently found out I also have cervical kyphosis. My neck is pretty much just set forward. Dr says I will probly end up with neck surgery because I have spinal cord compression on 2 levels. I am experience daily neck pain, headaches, dizziness, tingling burning and numbness in my right arm. I also have degenerative disk disease with 2 small disk herniations. You will know about your condition after an MRI. If you only have the cervical kyphosis with no spinal cord compression or other symptoms besides slight pain then they will probly use alternative therapy besides surgery. Try not to worry and take it easy until you know for sure what is going on in you neck. I would say NO CHIROPRACTOR until you know for sure! Good luck!

     
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