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    Old 08-04-2007, 07:12 AM   #1
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    Bulging Disc questions?????

    Good Morning everyone,

    I would like to know what it is they do to treat mildly bulging discs? C3-4 through C5 and 6. The discs are bulging slightly to the left, is this why I have more issues on the left than the right side?

    I still have pain and funny sensations.

    Someone told me that a chiro or PT can sometimes help get the discs back within there proper location.

    Is this true?

    Is my problem just going to get worse.
    Yesturday I had put a call into the Docs office...My GP...to find out what the next step is because I am still having pain. They did not call back so I will have to wait untill Monday. I was hoping the doc would read the MRI report and make a referal.

    I am concerned because if I sit for to long it begins to hurt more and I will be going back to school soon.
    I have a soft collar and somtimes it helps to wear it and other times it really hurts to wear it.
    I am not really sure what kinds of activity I can or can not do.
    I feel the need to exercise because I have not since the accident. Sitting around is not my thing.
    Is walking not good for me right now? SHould I continue to rest untill I see another doctor???
    I hope that you guys will have some answers for me because this is all new to me.
    Please any suggestions....
    Is a Chiro a bad place to get treatment?
    Why do they do injections in someones neck? Does that help the inflamation??
    Need advice...
    Chrissy

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    Old 08-04-2007, 09:13 AM   #2
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    Chrissy,
    I would really hesitate to go to a chiropractor when you have stuff going on in your neck. I went to a ton of them, none of them helped. They could even make it worse. I would go to one for being out of alignment..e.g my hip, but I will never let another one touch my neck. That is just my opinion. There are alot of injections a person can do to get help. The one that may help you is called an EPIDURAL STEROIDAL INJECTION (ESI). It is supposed to reduce the inflammation that may be the cause of the disk touching a nerve. They do help a lot of people. I had one and it was helpful, but I had so much arthritis going on that the help was minimal. Your MRI doesnt mention anything about arthritis that I could see, so you may get a lot of help from it. Arthritis can mean anything from bone spurs to facet joint issues. (both of which I still have in the level that didnt get fused, that has issues. C4-5) When you FINALLY do hear back from your Dr....definitely ask about one of those injections. The thing is, you are not sure that is what is causing the pain. It could also be pulled ligaments and muscle strain, which is really painful too. Mention all this stuff to your Dr. Another thing, when I had my fusion, I was walking on the treadmill everyday. I kept feeling worse spasms. Turns out the impact of my feet hitting the treadmill surface was the culprit. When I stopped walking on the treadmill and changed to a recumbent exercise bike, I noticed it got alot better. Yet another thing to ask the ole Dr. If I were you, *I* would go to a PHYSIATRIST, who is a rehab Dr. It will be interesting to see what kind of Dr. your GP refers you to. (if any). Some physiatrists do injections, others don't. But they totally know about all this stuff and also how to read MRIs in detail. I had to go thru a few of these physiatrists till I found one that I really liked. Oh, you know THAT is. whew.

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    Old 08-04-2007, 10:14 AM   #3
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    Re: Bulging Disc questions?????

    Thanks,

    I am not real fond of Chiro's either. Just thought I would ask.

    I am having problems with...well...constipation something that I have dealt with for a long time even when not taking a pain med. I also have a history of colon probs.

    Anyway this morning my belly was really bloated so I decided to get up and move around. Walking is something I would do a a regular basis before this car accident. So I went for a walk and all that did was aggrivate my neck. So I stopped.

    I really wish they would have called me back yesturday.
    The MRI was done w/out contrast...should it have had contrast?
    The MRI also said that the bulging was slightky left sided at the C3-4.
    and C4-5 had small broad based central disc protusion without neural impingement or foraminal narrowing same thing at C5-6.
    I don't know what to think because resting has not helped activity flares it up and PT before the MRI made it hurt too.
    I am just confused and do not like to be in pain.
    I am in the Holding patteren stage where I have no choice but to wait for the GP to make some referral.

    Frustrated.......Chrissy....I wish some others would post their thoughts and stories with similar issues so I may get some feedback from others who have the same or similar issues...
    SKZ I so appreciate your support so thanks again I feel kinda sad and sort of alone....c

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    Old 08-04-2007, 10:49 AM   #4
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    Do you have the kind of medical insurance that makes you get a referral from your GP? If not, wait to see what he says, and if what he says is full of ^%*&@#$ then refer yourself to a physiatrist. They will do everything to help you with your pain and are very knowledgeble with people that have had accidents. Most of the people they see are those types of patients. They are also called REHABILITATION Drs. If you lived in Denver, I could give you a ton of names, since I have seen alot of them. heh. All the ones I have seen have Pain Specialists that they know well. The physiatrists can also tell if you have whiplash or muscles strain/sprain. I am not real big on GPs. My experience with something specialized wrong with you, is that they know a whole little about a whole lot, if you know what I mean. Some are better than others. I go to mine when I need stitches, spain my ankle and all the other various klutzy things I do. But the neck is more specific. MY GP said I sprained mine and he was wrong. I had arthritis and degenerative disks. At least yours made you get an MRI. Mine just Xrayed my neck, which is a big waste of time as far as disks are concerned.
    Don't wait real long on Monday to hear back from that Dr.'s office, OK? So what if you are a pest. YOU are the one in pain. I would give them until like maybe 10 AM and then call. I learned to get real assertive with all this medical stuff. I am sure you know what I mean, since you have been thru all the arm stuff.
    OK about the constipation. hehe. Ever since I had kids at age 24, (I am 51 now) ,I have had it chronically. My colon Dr. said Milk of Magnesia was safe, so until you can get yourself where you can exercise again (and you will), maybe try a lil of that. Its much better than taking a laxative pill. You dont need that discomfort on top of the neck pain.
    Once that GP calls you, or you call them.....maybe they can see if they can get you into a specialist quicker, than if you called them yourself. MY PT actually did that for me once. Afterall, you WERE in a serious accident. I forgot to ask you, have you tried Nsaids? (Non-steroidal anti-inflammatories). Sounds like you need one, for sure. Sorry, my memory is shot. Tell the Dr. that you have some colon problems if they prescribe them. They can cause some heartburn issues.
    Don't worry, you are not alone. I know what its like to be in pain and feel depressed. I have been a basket case MANY times in the last 5 1/2 yrs.
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    Old 08-04-2007, 11:40 AM   #5
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    Thanks so much Sue!!!,

    Being that I just came from a place of nothing but perscriptions Docs Pain Workers Comp (*^(^&[email protected]$) I do know how to be a pest.
    What is a Physiatrist?

    I went to a Pain Doc who does alot of things with the spine. Work Comp sent me there and he actually expidited me to an ortho. He first did some specific tests on my arm like the EMG and then MRI. I did not get to go to him untill after my 3rd surgery and th epain issues became to much, but he was reallt great.

    First thing Monday Morning I will get with them. They do not take calls until 9:30 I think so if I don't hear from them by 10 I will be a pest.

    The tricky part is that my health insurance is going to change on the 23 of this month I think and then all the accident stuff will be pre exixting. I am not sure how it is going to work out so I would like to get things done quickly. At least get the darn referal so I can move forward.
    I really think I need to see a spine doc not sure if a ortho or neuro or what.

    I am on Mobic anti-inflamatory and Norco 10/325 when I need it and Flexeril.
    I don't think the flexeril is helping but I take it anyway. I don't take it 3 times a day because it cause Urinary retention and then it is hard to go well PEE!!!
    Anyway it is all so confusing!
    I just came out of a very painful long three year ordeal with my arm and now this and school is going to start in a few weeks.
    I will be having an Permanent Partial Disability rating done on my arm in a 2 weeks and then I should get a settlement for that but money does not give me my arm back. I will glad to have it don't get me wrong....
    Well I am just kinda hanging around the house again today watching TV and reading. It is just about lunch time so I gotta run Catch ya later....Chrissy

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    Old 08-04-2007, 11:53 AM   #6
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    Re: Bulging Disc questions?????

    Chrissy:

    FYI

    If you are going from one group insurance plan to another with less than 63 days between coverage - then pre-existing does not apply.

    So If you work for XYZ Company and they've been covered under (for example) Aetna, but they decide that effective 8/23/07 they want to move to Cigna - then there is no pre-existing exclusion.

    Or, if you work for XYZ Company and have been covered under Aetna and on 8/23 you resign an no longer have coverage - and you need to be put on your husband's coverage immediatley - again no pre-existing applies.

    However, if you work for XYZ Company and are covered under Aetna, and then you resign 8/23 and you do not extend your coverage through COBRA. And the next time you enroll in group health insurance, whether with Aetna or any other carrier, it is 12/1/07 - then per-existing will apply. Or, if you have had individual health insurance and now are moving to group insurance then pre-existing can apply. And, if you join a company not having had group medical insurance in the past 60 days then pre-existing applies.

    This is governed under HIPAA and state laws.

    This allows your time under previous coverage to reduce any waiting period for a pre-existing condition under a new group plan you want to join. The law also limits these waiting periods to 12 months for a new employee joining the plan or 18 months if an employee decides to join the plan at a later date.

    This is done via Credit for previous coverage. Your insurance company or employer plan will provide a Certificate of Previous Coverage when you leave a major medical or comprehensive health plan. This certificate will include a statement of how long you and any dependents were insured. It will also explain to your new employer or company the range of benefits and coverage you had under that plan or policy.

    You may have had health plan benefits for the most recent 12 months from either a group plan or an individual insurance policy. In either case, your previous coverage will generally reduce an waiting period for a pre-existing condition if you apply for a new group plan within 63 days.
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    Old 08-04-2007, 02:18 PM   #7
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    A physiatrist is a REHABILITATION DR.. If it were me, I wouldnt bother with an orthopedic doc. I never had any success with one as far as my neck, until I went to the orthopedic spinal surgeon. But luckily, you likely won't be needing one of those.

     
    Old 08-04-2007, 03:40 PM   #8
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    Hi Chrissy!

    I'm glad you are so proactive and got your reports and films so quickly. I just bumped an older thread on cervical bulges because there seemed to be some good information for you.

    What I would say at this point, at least you know what your dealing with and hopefully now when you go back to PT your Therapist will have good information to work with and target your plan to your specific condition.

    I'm not big on Chiro's myself and I have seen instances where they've really helped people. My husband swears by his. But, she is VERY gentle and really focuses on massage and gentle pressure.

    Not that I blame my condition (and certainly not my lupus) on a Chiropractor. But, early on in marriage (I was quite young), I'm 40 now. I had TERRIBLE trouble with lower back pain after the birth of my son. And instead of seeing Doctor a friend recommended a chiropractor. I was also having migraines and all sorts of issues. The first time I saw him I could barely walk in the office and just had to lay on the floor in his waiting room until they could get me in. He did LOTS of X-rays and I can't even remember the diagnosis, but I know there were issues with my lumbar spine and cervical spine. Well, he was a practitioner of hard manipulation for the cervical and lumbar treatment. The interesting thing after my first visit I could walk straight up again and I was able to return to work. I saw him three times a week and slowly was reduced to one time a week.

    When I got pregnant with my twins, I couldn't see him because I was having other issues and as I got bigger my problems got worst and pretty soon my lupus was diagnosed.

    AGAIN, I don't blame him for my back problems now - but my Spine is a mess! I was actually a little embarrassed during my last surgery, because the constant comments I got for support staff from the hospital was "Your so young to have such problems". And that is REALLY true.

    I can't help but wonder if I'd seen a medical Doctor from the beginning maybe I would have had a better plan for my cervical and lumbar spine and wouldn't have had to have my fourth surgery in 8 years! (3) Lumbar (1) Cervical.

    I would really stick to PT and just work on a solid plan and try to get referred to a Spinal Specialist.

    Also, we've changed insurance with my husband's work before and ALL my conditions transition in and covered.

    You are in my thoughts and I'm glad you're being so proactive.

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    Old 08-04-2007, 05:59 PM   #9
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    Re: Bulging Disc questions?????

    Thanks Ladies,

    I actually had problems in my lower back when I was about 19 years old. L 5 S 1.
    I lived in the midwest at that time and I remember going to a chiro and trying to get help. Eventually my foot went numb and I saw a specialist at the hospital in Mdison Wi. They did this procedure called a Chimo papayne injection. Not sure if I spelled it right. What it is ... is the papya enzy,es from a papya fruit and they hook you to this machine where they use a needle and whatnot and shoot it into your spine. If I remember correctly it disolves the herniated disc. No fusion. I never have any probs there but I know they do not do that procedure any longer.

    As far as my Insurance goes I have health insurance through the college I go to school at. I am almost 38 and because I had all the injureies and surgery to my arm I decided that while on workers comp I should get busy with school because I knew that I would not nor did I even want to return to being a factory worker.
    Anyway about 6 months ago the Insurance sent a letter saying they were not going to be offering their Insurance to our school anymore. So that is how the change came into play ..
    My insurance from my employer is long gone after 3 years and some time on a cobra the was almost 500 dolars a month.
    I tried to get private insurance but they all deni me for three reasons.
    I have been through drug and alcohol treatment 2 times in 7 years. I am clean now 3 years
    I have had serious issues and been hospitalized for my colon and have thyroid issues and because of all the things with my arm.
    So I am happy to have the Insurance through the school because it is better than none.
    I just am tired of doctors and pain meds and DOc appointment and restrictions on my life.
    Yes I am complaining, I am tired of this pain in my neck!!!

    I just want to make sure that I recieve the proper care and get better. School starts soon and then I will de doing a lot of sitting which bothers me at this point. It makes my neck hurt.

    So I would like the GP to send me to the right kind of doc. What kind that is I don't know. Maybe you guys can help with that.
    I wonder if I do need some kind of injection in my neck so that I get get it to calm down.

    Has anyone here had thoose before?
    DO they hurt?
    DO they have to sedate you or what?
    What kind of doc does that?

    Help figuring out what kind of doc should be next.
    I am concerned to go back to the PT office because the therapist does some things that a Chiro does and I am not really sure that is a good idea. all the cracking in my back.
    So ladies any more sugestions?
    Chrissy

     
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    I've had cervical Epidural Steroid Injections. Each doctor who does them has a slightly different approach but the way mine worked is I arrived at the treatment center about 30 minutes before my injection, then was given a gown to wear but could leave my pants/underwear on - they just wanted my neck to be exposed. Then a line into my arm was started (like a capped off IV) and I walked into the treatment room. I'd lay down and they'd inject versed and Demerol in the line they put in. Next thing I knew I was in a recliner drinking apple juice. No actual pain to the injection since I was "consciously sedated" with the versed. I'd be tired the rest of the day due to the versed and Demerol but fine. I had two series of 3 injections each (each 2 weeks apart).
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    Good morning Everyone,

    Thanks Kross, What kind of a doctor did the injections?

    I think that everything in there is totally inflammed and that is why I still have so much pain.

    It is so hard to sleep in a comfortable posititon. It takes a long time to fall asleep.
    Tomorrow is Monday and I will be calling the GP Docs office back to see what direction the doc want to go. I really have been resting and not doing much but eventually I gotta get moving around. I did walk yesturday...only about a mile, but it began to hurt and give me a headache so I quit.

    Anyway let me know what kind of Doc does that stuff.
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    The doctor I had, for the injections, was board certified in Pain Management and also in Anesthesiology.
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