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    Old 07-17-2002, 10:05 PM   #1
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    Pain across shoulders, down left arm to finger and thumb

    I have been through so much. C1,2,3 posterior fusion. C4,5,6 anterior fusion. Part of C5,6 did not fuse so they went in and took out the plate and refused it and then fused C6,7 also. Well, now C5,6 still did not take. The bone bank was used for C5,6 and now they will use my own bone. They want to take out the plate and do a posterior fusioin with rod. I would like to know if the success rate is higher with your own bone. has anyone experienced pain from C5,6 not fusing and how much pain was it so I can compare it to mine. Also, has anyone had their entire neck fused like I have. Are they pain free, or what are they left with. I really need supported because these surgeries are really traumatic for me and I am going to be scared to death. Also, it seems all pain medicine makes me sick. I take neurotin, antidepressants, zonagram, bextra, muscle relaxers, darvon and will suck on an actiq sucker. I just wish the Darvon was stronger. It is the only thing I can handle without getting so sick. Does anyone know of any new pain drugs coming out that may not be so sickly. I just don't seem to be able to take them. Please help.

     
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    Old 07-18-2002, 01:04 AM   #2
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    Hey SharonAnn,

    First welcome to the boards. I can't help you on the failed fusion. I did have a fusion of the C 5/6 which so far is fusing quite well. They did use my own bone which was harvested from my hip. I was before a long time smoker and that changes your chemical make up so donor bone may not take. I wonder with all the medications you are taking. Believe me you are gobbling down a pharmacy. I wonder if the reason you can't take stronger pain meds is due to all the other junk you are taking. I would think with proper pain relief many of the other meds would not be needed. Have you seen a Pain Management doctor? I know up in Clumberland resources are few but you may need to venture down to Washington to get better care in the meds department.

    I am down at the southern end of Maryland where 301 goes into Va. I go up to near Washington for my care. Do you have a Nuerosurgeon or an orthopedic surgeon? Seems like they have done a lot of cutting on you. What caused this to all happen?

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    Old 07-19-2002, 05:58 PM   #3
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    Oliver
    Where do I ever begin. There is so much.
    When I was 15, unfortunately I was involved in a head-on collision--a 16 year old came accross the line. Four people were killed. We were coming home from Altoona, PA in 1973. Because it was late, I had fallen asleep in the back seat and was relaxed. This saved my life. My head flew up, face forward, and smashed into the front seat. The pain in my head was excruciating, but at that time, I managed to get away with a shattered nose, or so I thought. Of course my nose was reconstructed. Two years after the birth of my first child, the headaches started. Constant headaches. Since you are familiar with the area which I live, you very well know that I finally had to go out of the area. I went to the Baltimore Headached Institute where they started with the usual beta-blockers, antidepressants and antiinflammatories for combination migraine and muscular headaches. They went through a slew of drug combinations because I hated the side effects. Finally after years with no relief in stiffness to the neck and because the doctor who ran the clinic was a professor at John Hopkins, I was referred to the neurology department and assigned to the chief neurosurgeon at Hopkins. Nerve root block tests and discography of all levels of the cervical spine revealed that my entire neck was producing pain and they really were not sure where to start. Because they were conducting a study on whiplash and its association with chronic headaches, it was decided to begin with levels C1, 2, 3. Well, let me tell you how horrible it is to have those first three fused from the back. Hopkins assigned one doctor to monitor my brain waves during the surgery because of the location. I cannot tell you how confident I am in my doctors, they are the best. After the first surgery, I still managed to go to work and work for two years in constant pain before I decided I could not take it anymore. The second surgery revealed that levels C4, 5, 6 were ready to collapse on me and were like mush. Post surgery was absolutely horrible. The pain was awful. Then 1.5 years later, the screws were coming out because the one side of C5-6 did not fuse, so they removed the plate and took out C6-7 which was also damaged and re-fused C5-6. The third surgery was gravy compared to the others. Nothing whatsoever in the pain area compared to the others. The first two, I was in Hopkins for five days and became so week, it took all my strength to walk up steps. My orthopaedic surgeon is in Glenn Burnie Maryland. Hopkins refers to them as the Dynamic Duo, so I have the very best. My psyiatrist (pain doctor) is in Hagerstown. He is trying to control my pain. He is wonderful and was recommended by my orthopaedic doctor. Through all this, I have raised my two children and have continued to work and have opened a State prison and am getting ready to open the first houseing unit of another. I am 44 years old right now and I really would like to get some relief. I go to Dr. Davis in Glenn Burnie in two weeks. He strongly feels that I have pseudoarthrosis around the screws again evidenced by the tingling and pain down my arm. I just don't understand why it aches so much in the back of my neck across my shoulders. This could be because my entire neck is fused though. I really do not know. I do not smoke and never have. My career, especially now, is important to me and I do not want to be disabled. I never have been able to tolerate narcotics. I have to constantly be injected with antinausea medication after surgery. So, I guess I'll probably schedule my surgery for the end of November. Dr. Long and Dr. Davis will perform my surgery. Do you know either of them? Write back.

     
    Old 07-19-2002, 11:34 PM   #4
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    Hey SharonAnn,

    Sounds like you are a walking hardware store. I have in my own nuerosurgeons office met a few people who have had the same type of surgery you describe. All of them are still in considerable pain and still have some problems. But, they are extremely positive about the amount of usefulness they recovered from the surgeries. Can't say I know of your doctors. I have my focus around the DC area. I must say that you seem very pleased with them. I find when we as patients are pleased with our doctors they are normally pretty good.

    Your pain management seems to have progressed over the years and they seem to be doing as much as they can. I would think that it may benefit you to be evaluated by another Pain Management doctor. I find sometimes when you have one doctor in charge of your comfort for so long that you may need a fresh set of eyes to turn things around. I know in some cases everything that can be done is being done but, it doesn't hurt to reaffirm it with someone else. I can understand wanting to continue your career. I was at the top of my field before my accident 2 years ago. I was the type that would work sick, hurt, and anything else that can detract from performance. I always provided to my employers all I could give. But, after my accident I woke up in such horrific pain that I called into work(first time in 15 years) that I had to go to the doctor. I decided with the way I felt I would do whatever they said to do with little reservation. The doctors have been fantastic but the insurance company has been a real big pain in the caboose. I ended up with a lawyer and I am still fighting to have them take responsibility. The company has dragged it out to what will be 1 1/2 years. I finally next month get to have a jury trial in my home county to decide their responsibility. I leave all that for the most part to the lawyer. I must focus on recovery. As he puts it my entire future is in his hands.

    Believe me I know pain. I may only of had two surgeries on the different areas of the spine one C 5/6 fusion and T 7/8 fusion. But, they have been a bear to try to heal. The fusions are going very well and the problems caused by the accident have improved or stop progressing. "Thank Goodness" But, I am left with the most debilitating pain all day long. Without the proper pain management I would probally been a resident at your prison becaused I would have killed somebody by now. I never realized how painful it could be until it was me. As I tell everybody I never had the surgery because of the pain I had it to stop the progression of debilitation. I truely believe if I had not taken the bull by the horns and gotten treatment I would probally been wheeling around instead of walking around. When the surgery was first scheduled I still could function pretty well in most respects. But, because of the insurance company holding me prisoner I went a further 8 months before my most important surgery. By the time it rolled I found myself with urinary frequency problems, bowel problems, completely numb legs and feet and totally impotent. Now I am only 40 so I still have a lot of living to do. To go from extremely active to almost vegitative has had some very depressing effects. But, I am a positive kind of guy so I took it in stide and push ahead all the time. I don't know how some people do it out here. They for the most part don't have my drive so I figure there are many who find themselves feeling completely hopeless and useless. I try to help as many as I can through this forum. It gives me some purpose while I recover. After my second surgery my urinary frequnecy problems went right away. The numbness in both legs and feet was reduced to being only 3 toes on one foot. I am still left with the bowel and impotency problems. They are a real problem. But, even now I have some function returning every now and again. So, I remain hopeful.

    Sorry to go so long. I hope I answered some of your questions and look forward to hearing from you.

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    Old 07-20-2002, 02:14 PM   #5
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    I hate to sound like a broken record but, avoid sleeping on you r stomach, my hands go completely dead if i sleep on my stomach, and appearantly others on this board too... see post about it. also learn to do some stretches. I know now when i get certain pains, like sharp pai in ring finger, I can stretch a certain way to make it stop, or at least less. good luck

     
    Old 07-20-2002, 10:23 PM   #6
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    Oliver,
    Thank you for writing back to me. It really helps to talk to another who can relate to what you are going through, doesn't it? You didn't say how long ago your first surgery was, and then, your second surgery? And, please tell me what kind of pain are you presently left with. I am really beginning to wonder if C7-T1 is not hurting me because so many discs are fused. It hurts horribly between my neck and my shoulder. I really can hardly stand it. I wonder if the humidity has something to do with it? I do know that the outer muscle on my upper arm is affected somewhat, so the Dr. assured me that C5-6 did not fuse. What did you experience before your fusions, Oliver? Also, I am going to make an appointment with my neurosurgeon at Hopkins and see about a referral to the pain Center at Hopkins. Maybe they can do something for me. Either way, I guess I am scared. Those who are healthy just cannot relate to this. Also, you did not say whether you are in a wheel chair on not, and, just sort of curious, do you also, have problems or did you have, with your lumbar spine. I do know that the numbness of the legs and toes come with lumbar spine injury but could come from the neck. Also, would you like to tell me about your accident? I also can be very supportive. Write back when you have time and let me know about the pain. By the way, what are you taking for pain management?

     
    Old 07-21-2002, 10:49 AM   #7
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    shan. I think the toes thing can definatly be from the neck injury. I just had my lumbar EMG last week and it is negative. I've had problems with my left foot for 6 months now along with my fingers/hands. first dr. said it's impossible ( fired her) new dr. thought it was lower back related, but emg says it's all at c-6/c-7 sometimes my toes feel like some one is pulling them, and I can toutch a spot on my foot and I feel it in my finger? good luck

     
    Old 07-21-2002, 06:28 PM   #8
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    Mothmin
    Tell me about your surgery and previous and present pain in the cervical area. I know the pain down the arm and in the fingers is my neck but between my neck and shoulder is killing me. The other is more numbness and tingling and feels like muscle tightning. I would really appreciate your telling me about your pain and fusions. The only thing I am telling you is that usually if your cervical spine is bad your lumbar spine is bad. Did you have an MRI of the Lumbar spine. And the only way to really tell anything is through a discogram where a neurosurgeon inserts a needle into your spine while you are awake and looks at the disc on a screen. I also have L3, 4, 5 and S-1 blocking the fluid to my tail bone, so my heels of my feet constantly ache. At it's worst point, my lower part of my leg went numb and my big toe and the shooting pain was excrutiating. Right now, I have that controlled though.

     
    Old 07-22-2002, 06:33 PM   #9
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    I've not had any surgery yet. I woke up one day in March, and my left ring finger felt like it was being burned by a lit match. sinse then i've had a variety of things. pain in left foot, pai in both elbows, pain in right ring finger, and worst of all BAADDDD head achs. I've learned to control much of the problems, but my dr. says it's hemoraged in a bad place/against the actual cord? I see nuero-surgen next month. I have always been an active helth-conscience person, and can't believe this is happening to me. good luck with yours, I hope it works out.

     
    Old 07-22-2002, 08:48 PM   #10
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    Dear Mothmin
    I am not a doctor, but based on what I have been through, those first two fingers are the upper levels of the neck. Did he say level C2-3. Headaches always come with the neck problems. I have to take blood pressure medicine to control mine but mine are better now and have been replaced with neck ache. Because there is so little space in the cervical spine, a small bulge will compress up against the spinal cord and cause pain and burning and headaches. You just make sure you are going to a major hospital out there in California. You need to let me know what your doctor says, and I will gladly tell you how I felt after my surgery depending upon what level and which way they are going in. How old are you and are you male or female, just sort of curious how you are hanging in there. Are you managing to work and do you take any type of medication. Let me know what you are going through, perhaps I can help you. I have been through every type of physical therapy and surgery there is and guess what, I am still hanging in there, and getting up and going to work tomorrow and still looking hopeful. Let me know.

     
    Old 07-22-2002, 11:12 PM   #11
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    Hey SharonAnn,

    I had my first surgery for a C5/6 herniation Oct 2000. The second surgery for a T7/8 herniation Nov 2001. The thought was at first that all my problems were caused by the cervical herniation. That surgery did help the neck but, did nothing for anything else. It also caused me to lose some turning function of the neck. All in all the first surgery was a success. They did it anterior where they go through the throat. I must admit I have not been able to carry a musical note properly since. For a past choir director at church this was a dissapointment. I have tried to exercise the voice but, it seems to have no improvement. As for the thorasic herniation that surgery to was a great success. It helped greatly in stopping my debilitation and also reversed some very alarming problems that had developed. The pain changed from one of centralized to a pain which is more expanded in the back. It is and has been almost impossible to get any restful sleep since the accident on jun of 2000.

    My accident happened at work. I was in the business of selling ceramic tile, marble, granite and, limestone for homes and businesses. I was preparing an order to be picked up for the next day when I fell backwards over the pallet I was loading with a box of ceramic tile in my hands. On the way downed I twisted in various directions trying to reduce my impact and even tried to push the box of over 50 lbs. away from stiking me but, failed at both. I landed on the pallet striking my lower back on one edge of the pallet. My thorasic back on a raised box in the center of the pallet. My neck over the oppisite edge of the pallet in what is best described as a snapping motion. If that wasn't enough the box of tile landed on my chest just above the raised box of tile which was under my thorasic back. I wasn't braced for the impact so it struck a limp body causing the worse damage of all. A warehouse worker rushed over and helped me up and I was in pain in various area and had various parts numb but being a person who workes no matter what I continued on for the rest of the day. When I woke the next morning I had trouble feeling my legs and my hand and fingers continued to be numb. Not to mention the pain in the neck, mid-back, lower back and both legs. I called into work that I had to go see a doctor. That was the first time in 15 years I had ever done that. Then my ordeal began. I was hurt very badly and through PT, injections and, rest nothing got better instead it got worse. The first test were done on the Cervical spine and since they found problems there they did not do any test farther down the spine to see the other problems. I was originally told that my other problems were probally coming from that one area and I could hopefully get good recovery from treatment. So, I didn't argue. I did what they said and eventually after all else failed had surgery on the Cervical spine. By Jan 2001 I still was in considerable pain from the center of the back and finally a MRI was done revealing a herniation at the T7/8. Still my problems of urinary frequency, bowel problems, numb legs and feet as well as frequent impotency was getting worse not better. So, after injections it was decided that surgery was my best course of action. I was scheduled for surgery in Mar of 2001. Two days before the surgery I was called by the W/C ins. Co. that the surgery was denied as being unnecessary. Their doctor said I was cleared to return to light duty. My doctors had not released me and could not understand their reasons for their position. I had one of the formost experts on the Thorasic spine as my nuerosurgeon and saw no reason to question his judgement. Remember I was no better except for the cervical fusion which helped in the neck pain to some degree. I appealed the decsion with them and they took it under advisement. Further test were done to prove my doctors' opinion but, still no response from the ins. co. I filed for relief with the W/C commission which took over 6 months for them to side with the ins. co. I still can't figure why? I had tests, doctors, and symptoms of their being a problem. So, after their denial I was able to get my own Ins. to pay for the operation. They didn't question a thing. The problems I was having had gotten steadily worse. By the time of the surgery in Nov. I was only able to urinate about a tea cup full at a time and did that 15 to 20 times a day. I was unable to feel a bowel movement so having one was a thing that took hours everyday. Both legs were numb including the feet. The left hand was numb through the palm including the three lower fingers. Finally what was spotty bouts of impotency had become complete impotency all the time. But, by the W/C ins. co. I was fine and could return to work. They cut me off from all benefits. This was the worse because I am the sole support for my family. My wife has never worked. They were sure I would not be able to fight them. The problem is I had no choice but to fight them. The pain was like having screws being contantly turning in my back and shooting pains down the back and both legs. My reflexes were affected as well. So, in essence I was a mess and getting worse.

    I had the surgery and the urinary frequency problem went right away. The numbness of both legs and feet was reduced to three toes on one foot. The bowel and impontency problems remained unchanged. Some feeling returned to the left hand but, it comes and goes. The screwing pain in the back went away but, the shooting pain remained as well as a constant pain where the screwing pain was at before. I will always wonder if I could of had a better result if the surgery was done sooner. I truely believe they left me to become more debilitated for their own bottom line. I still remain in a fight with them and I will have a jury trial to decide their responsibility finally next month here where I live. The lawyer says I have a 50/50 chance. I believe that since I have the truth on my side I can't help but win.

    As for pain management. I take oxicontin. I also take Ultram for pain. I also take aleve for imflamation. I take ambien for sleep. Some days are better than others. I think changes in the weather do affect me as well. I find also I suffer more pain during the full moon than other times. I can't figure why? The pain management works well but, leaves me impaired. I can't keep my attention on things for long. The continued lack of sleep leaves me irratable all the time. I don't drive because I feel I am a danger to those on the road. I can't take a ride where I don't have lapses of memory of the trip.

    So, that's were I stand right now. I hope for the next step of the recovery to be that I can rid myself of further pain. I wait for the return of function in the bowel and intamacy. The doctors seem optimistic that things will continue to improve and that it may take up to 2 years to see final results. I only know that I will never be able to do what I did before and question even now if I will ever be able to return to work. I am happy though to be walking around and week by week feel myself becoming stronger.

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    Old 07-24-2002, 08:41 PM   #12
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    Oliver,
    By what I read November 2001 was your last surgery. You know that I am in terrible pain and I have been through surgery four times. I need to get through yet another and I wonder where I will get through the strength. Each time, I have drawn through the Lord for my strength. Only he knows my destination and I only want to remain here on earth for the sake of my children. I love life and have so many things to do and I also, Oliver, have not given up yet, and neither have you. The past three weeks have been very bad for me. The pain is getting worst. I come home from work and have to go to bed. The pain is draining me. I told my husband I cannot take much more. I am trying so hired to at least open this one housing unit. I am telling them to schedule my surgery the last week of November. So pray for me. By the way, what denomination are you. Since I have a personal relationship with the Lord, you guessed it, I am Baptist. This past year, I miss more than I go because of this pain. Really, I cannot make it to work much more, I don't know how in the world I am going to get up and do pre-service for new hires in this kid of pain. I can hardly talk with all the drugs. I too cannot drive anymore. I am talking my associate to a meeting with me tomorrow just so she will drive. I have always been so use to traveling by myself. I cannot keep my eyes open nor concentrate anymore. If it was not for this housing unit, I would schedule this stupid surgery right away. I know all about workmers compensation since I handle this at work. You may not like this, but I represent the employer. And when I sat on the petit jury, I was always picked to represent the petit jury. Sometimes, the jury can work against you. I always said that after sitting on the jury, I would never have one--just remember one thing, workers' compensation will select those who will side with them--those who are more educated and voiceful. It appeared to me that the employee's attorney selected the retirees and the housewifes, well, when I got up into the room, they did not speak up for the employee at all. This really surprised me. This about it. Do retired men and women really care. Do housewives really care. Either way, I viewed tapes of doctors' opinions with disability percentages from 5% to 70%--now how in the world can you determine that. And I felt that in no way could I possibly make a decision as to how much the employee should get, but we did come to a conclusion, for better or for worst. Oliver, is any of your pain between your neck and shoulder. Also, I never dreamed that a bulging disc in the C7-T1 level would cause all those problems--it sounds like we are two sickies together. I hate the pain more than anything though, but at least you can take oxycontin, I can't. All that stuff makes me sick on my stomach. Well, it usually takes no more than 12 mos for the fusion so I guess your fusion is taking, but maybe it isn't since you are in so much pain. Did they tell you anything. My arm tingles constantly, I know I have a pinched nerve. He told me the neurosurgeon would be there to decompress the nerve for me. I am just so scared and so scared of the pain when I wake up. I go to my pain doctor tomorrow in Hagerstown. I am going to sneak it in on my way to the meeting. Like I said Oliver, unless someone else feels this horrible, they cannot relate to this and they get tired of hearing it. I try to keep it to myself but July and August always seem to be the worst pain months. I am tired of sleeping too. I like to go outdoors and ride a bike on the C&O canal. I hate all this. We are middle aged now and we need to get better and enjoy and little of life before we get old. Keep in contact with me, perhaps we can support one another through this. keep in contact

     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SharonAnn:
    <B>Oliver,
    By what I read November 2001 was your last surgery. You know that I am in terrible pain and I have been through surgery four times. I need to get through yet another and I wonder where I will get through the strength. Each time, I have drawn through the Lord for my strength. Only he knows my destination and I only want to remain here on earth for the sake of my children. I love life and have so many things to do and I also, Oliver, have not given up yet, and neither have you. The past three weeks have been very bad for me. The pain is getting worst. I come home from work and have to go to bed. The pain is draining me. I told my husband I cannot take much more. I am trying so hired to at least open this one housing unit. I am telling them to schedule my surgery the last week of November. So pray for me. By the way, what denomination are you. Since I have a personal relationship with the Lord, you guessed it, I am Baptist. This past year, I miss more than I go because of this pain. Really, I cannot make it to work much more, I don't know how in the world I am going to get up and do pre-service for new hires in this kid of pain. I can hardly talk with all the drugs. I too cannot drive anymore. I am talking my associate to a meeting with me tomorrow just so she will drive. I have always been so use to traveling by myself. I cannot keep my eyes open nor concentrate anymore. If it was not for this housing unit, I would schedule this stupid surgery right away. I know all about workmers compensation since I handle this at work. You may not like this, but I represent the employer. And when I sat on the petit jury, I was always picked to represent the petit jury. Sometimes, the jury can work against you. I always said that after sitting on the jury, I would never have one--just remember one thing, workers' compensation will select those who will side with them--those who are more educated and voiceful. It appeared to me that the employee's attorney selected the retirees and the housewifes, well, when I got up into the room, they did not speak up for the employee at all. This really surprised me. This about it. Do retired men and women really care. Do housewives really care. Either way, I viewed tapes of doctors' opinions with disability percentages from 5% to 70%--now how in the world can you determine that. And I felt that in no way could I possibly make a decision as to how much the employee should get, but we did come to a conclusion, for better or for worst. Oliver, is any of your pain between your neck and shoulder. Also, I never dreamed that a bulging disc in the C7-T1 level would cause all those problems--it sounds like we are two sickies together. I hate the pain more than anything though, but at least you can take oxycontin, I can't. All that stuff makes me sick on my stomach. Well, it usually takes no more than 12 mos for the fusion so I guess your fusion is taking, but maybe it isn't since you are in so much pain. Did they tell you anything. My arm tingles constantly, I know I have a pinched nerve. He told me the neurosurgeon would be there to decompress the nerve for me. I am just so scared and so scared of the pain when I wake up. I go to my pain doctor tomorrow in Hagerstown. I am going to sneak it in on my way to the meeting. Like I said Oliver, unless someone else feels this horrible, they cannot relate to this and they get tired of hearing it. I try to keep it to myself but July and August always seem to be the worst pain months. I am tired of sleeping too. I like to go outdoors and ride a bike on the C&O canal. I hate all this. We are middle aged now and we need to get better and enjoy and little of life before we get old. Keep in contact with me, perhaps we can support one another through this. keep in contact</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Forgive the typos Oliver, I did not proof this until after I submitted it and I am too tired to change it.

     
    Old 07-24-2002, 11:26 PM   #14
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    Re: Pain across shoulders, down left arm to finger and thumb

    Hey SharonAnn,

    I am a Roman Catholic. A very, very roman catholic. Memeber of The Knight's of Columbus. Have held many posts in the council from Grand Knight(leader) to Trusttee. I even in my past was choir master for a few years. I have always held the liberal view that God is in most all houses of worship. Not just mine. Our major difference is You pray and get help directly from God, Jesus Christ. I on the otherhand pray to him as well but, ask for help from the Virgin Mary in addition. I figure that she since she is is mother. She could ask her son to help me as well.

    I will at my trial have my own doctors testimonies as well. The one who did the surgery is one of the formost experts on the thorasic spine in the country. So, I feel pretty confident. It also helps me that the trial will be in La Plata MD. You know the town wiped away by the tornado the other month. They have felt the great things a insurance company can do to them. Since only 20% of the money for the damage is being paid for by them due to any number of techincality they have found. This has left a very bitter taste in the mouths of the people of the community. It should help!

    Talk to you later,

    Oliver <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wave.gif"> <p>[This message has been edited by OLIVER-DOVE (edited 07-25-2002).]

     
    Old 07-25-2002, 06:17 PM   #15
    SharonAnn
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    Re: Pain across shoulders, down left arm to finger and thumb

    Oliver,
    Today, I went to Hagerstown, stoped in to see my pain doctor. Of course, they would not see me early. So, I have to take Monday off and drive down by myself just to get some medicine. My meeting with the Human Resource Manager with Public Safety and all the Hagerstown Personnel Officers went well. Next week we will decide how we are going to handle the transfers and new hires. I am very fortunate to be in a new facility outside the fence and the only office surrounded by women (hee hee). Of course my neck is killing me, so I have decided to wear my soft collar in the evenings. I just hope so much that I get through the surgery, ride my bike and walk (these are the two exercises I truly enjoy), and am able to go back to work pain free. Of course, as usual, I am in pain. How about you. How are you today. I really hope you win your case. You will, I just don't understand why didn't they approve that second surgery. I thought about your condition today and was telling Cathy about it. I know how horrible you must feel, especially with your being a man. Men take sexuality so personal, but I guess we all worry, moreso probably about our spouse being unhappy. Did they say that you have degenerative disc disease, a pre-existing condition or what? Anyway, irregardless, you deserve everything you get. I only wish I had been hurt on the job. My girlfriend was and she is getting an accidental disability check now and going for soc sec disability and here I am fighting to go to work. Do you get tired a lot from the pain? Anyway, I managed to drive back from Hagerstown today. I did not take some of my medicine so I would not be so tired. And, I know you look at the messaged on this health board, if you find anyone similar to me, let me know. I do not have much time in the evenings or weekends and have only been contacting you. Keep in touch Oliver. I enjoy talkinig to you. Oh yea, I would like to know more about the Roman Catholic Religion and just what they believe since you are into it so deeply. Tell me the differences between you and I. Thanks.

    <IMG SRC="http://robert.willetts.com/smileys/bootyshake.gif"> <p>[This message has been edited by SharonAnn (edited 07-26-2002).]

     
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