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    Old 06-16-2003, 09:39 PM   #1
    DogGroomer
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    Red face NS Visit..Complete Nightmare!

    Well...today was my first visit to the NS. Mind you that this is a Dr. provided through my company's Insurance. A Workmans Comp. Dr. My appt. was scheduled for 12:15. Nurse calls me @ home to reschedule for 12:45/1:00. The reason being is that they didn't want to keep my waiting long & the Dr. was running behind schedule. I said no problem & showed up at 12:30 figuring that I had to fill out paperwork. The nurse calls me back at 1:00 and started asking routine questions. How the accident happened? Where I got hurt, pain level, etc., etc. She then told me that the Dr. would be in to see me in just a moment. 45 minutes went by when the Dr. finally came in to see me. I found out later that he was out to lunch while I was waiting. He asked me again the same exact questions his nurse did. No problem...I figured I'd answer the questions again. I was fidgeting in my chair because after sitting for a period of time, I feel shooting pains in my lower spine & makes me feel uncomfortable. He asked me why I was nervous & I told him it wasn't that I was nervous, it was because I was in pain. He then replied that I didn't have to be so hostile. He continued to ask me more questions & after every question I answered he would reply that if I continued to be hostile he would be unable to treat me. By this time I was confused & started getting a weird vibe. I had difficulty understanding why he was accussing me of being hostile. He gave me a robe & told me to put it on some he can further examine me. He left the room for another 30 minutes and came back. He had me walk, tested my reflexes, etc. Anything that hurt me I would say ouch. He would reply that he wasn't even doing anything to cause me pain & if I continued to be hostile he would not treat me. He told me that if I wanted to tie the robe sash around my waist to make me feel more comfortable that I can do so. The sash was on the floor & I asked him to please pick it up for me because I couldn't bend down to pick it up. (He knew this) He picked it up for me & then asked me to lie flat on a table. That he was going to do more tests. Before I knew it I felt a sharp jab in the back of my neck. Almost feeling like electricity. I screemed OUCH! I mean this really hurt. The Drs. reply was what? What did I do? I didn't even do anything to you yet! I noticed that he was holding a wooden Q-Tip that was broken in half. By this time I told the Dr. to get my husband because I felt that something wasn't right about this whole thing. Once again...the Dr. finally said that he was unable to treat me because I was being Hostile & uncooperative. I left the office in tears. This day has been a true nightmare. Sorry this is so lengthy. I know alot of you are in the same kind of pain & some of you worse & I was appauled that a Doctor would ever accuse any patient being in true pain of being hostile. Thanks again you guys for listening.

    Carolyn

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    Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
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    42 YEARS OLD Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.

     
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    Old 06-16-2003, 10:11 PM   #2
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    Hi Carolyn,
    What a horrible experience you had. I'm sorry anyone other human being would put you through that.
    You need to check out your other options in the way of doctors. If anything, tell your ins. co that this dr, will not treat you. Get references and make sure this one is not an idiot!
    Best of luck to you.
    Kelley

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    Rear-ended 1999
    Disc herniations C5-6 & C6-7
    DDD diagnosed 2002
    Surgery scheduled for 6-25-03
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    Symptoms dating back to 1986?
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    Disc herniations C5-6 & C6-7
    DDD diagnosed 2002
    Surgery scheduled for 6-25-03

     
    Old 06-17-2003, 02:55 AM   #3
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    I don't feel this is right
    Midgel has also been turned away from surgery.
    So how much pain is to much? Who knows?

    Edit do to flame

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    C2-3, disc protrusion which contacts but does not compress
    C3-4, disc protrusion with bone spurs, neural foraminal narrowing.
    C4-5 large disc protrusion with bone spurs compressing the cord, severe canal stenosis
    C5-6 disc protrusion with bone spurs compressing the left cord, severe stenosis
    C6-7 disc protrusion with bone spurs but does not compress the cord, neural foraminal stenosis.
    C7-T1 is normal
    T2-3 disc protrusion which contacts but does not compress

    Conclusion:
    Severe canal stenosis secondary to disc protrusion at C4-5 and C5-6 with mild cord volume loss at these levels.

    -Surgery -NOT Advised waiting second opinion

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    C2-3, disc protrusion which contacts but does not compress
    C3-4, disc protrusion with bone spurs, neural foraminal narrowing.
    C4-5 large disc protrusion with bone spurs compressing the cord, severe canal stenosis
    C5-6 disc protrusion with bone spurs compressing the left cord, severe stenosis
    C6-7 disc protrusion with bone spurs but does not compress the cord, neural foraminal stenosis.
    C7-T1 is normal
    T2-3 disc protrusion which contacts but does not compress

    Conclusion:
    Severe canal stenosis secondary to disc protrusion at C4-5 and C5-6 with mild cord volume loss at these levels.

    -Surgery Set for- 18 Sep 03-4 Level Lamin. with plating

     
    Old 06-17-2003, 04:08 AM   #4
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    what a horrible experience..... {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

    I know, that you know, this guy works for the enemy. Doesn't make what he did right or any easier... but his job is to minimize whats wrong with you, and I guess try to get you to go away and forget the whole thing. Don't give in or give up. Get on the phone today and talk to whoever you need to. Take your frustration and let it work for you!

    geeeeez what a jerk that guy is.

    sue
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    Old 06-17-2003, 07:47 AM   #5
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    Carolyn,

    This is inexcusable! I would contact your primary care doctor and your insurance customer service and file a complaint against this jerk. I wouldnĺt be surprised if he had other complaints against him!

    Take care and get hugs and tenders from your family and friends.

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    Old 06-17-2003, 08:03 AM   #6
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    Carolyn,
    Things like this really make me see red! In the end, it doesn't matter if he will or won't treat you.... you are NOT going back to him! I have seen some neurologists like this in the past.... wrote lots of complaints, too. So I know you are not exaggerating the whole thing. Just keep in mind, not every doctor graduated from the top of his class: sometimes that's a critical distinction.
    wr

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    • 4/9/03 ACDF C4-7 with plating and donor bone
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    Old 06-17-2003, 01:08 PM   #7
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    Oh my God. I feel so bad for you. What a complete jerk. You should report him to what ever agency is necessary. If you are seeing him in the first place, he should realize you are in pain, regardless of whether someone touches you or not!

    I saw a spine specialist last week and she was so kind and understanding that I was surprised. And I belong to an HMO. She even told me to get up and walk around if it hurt to sit while we were discussing things. Whenever she did something that caused pain, she stopped the moment I said something.

    You truly saw a creep for a Dr. I hope you find someone with more empathy for other human beings!

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    Old 06-17-2003, 02:52 PM   #8
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    Carolyn~

    I'm so sorry you had to go through that. Don't give this (whatever you might want to call him) another thought (except for when you file your complaint) and move on! How arrogant for him to TELL you whether you're in pain or not!!! I'm sure he kept mentioning your being hostile, just so he could write that in his report. Even so, pain can make one seem somewhat hostile. My son asked me if I was mean...and said that my face looked "mean" all the time. That just breaks my heart that he sees me that way.

    Take any necessary steps that WC requires to be seen by another doctor, and I would lodge a complaint against this wanna-be for sure. I would make sure to use the word "hostile" when describing his approach to you...because you can be sure that HE did.

    I wish things had gone better for you. Don't let this discourage you....Keep fighting the good fight!

    God Bless,

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    Lumbar fusion-1968
    Fusion with Herrington Rod instrumentation-1970
    Femoral osteotomy-1971
    Tethered cord release-1987
    Rod removal-1987
    Chiari-type pelvic osteotomy-1988
    Trochanteric osteotomy-1989
    Tethered cord release-2003
    Fusion with instrumentation with lots and lots of screws-2003

     
    Old 06-17-2003, 03:31 PM   #9
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    Makes you wonder why some people would want to be in the medical profession if they don't have compassion for other people. Seems to me that's kind of like the prerequisite as well as the driving force for motivating someone to become a medical professional. Obviously, this clown must be in it for the money, since he obviously has no compassion. I agree, file a complaint on him and see another surgeon who has these basic human qualities. I can recommend an excellent one in Syracuse if you are in a traveling mood.
    Keith

     
    Old 06-17-2003, 03:53 PM   #10
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    DogGroomer
    That was a terrible experience you had with that doctor. I had a simular experience years ago with a "WORKERS COMP DOCTOR" I left in tears also. Then I learned later thru a lawyer that those comp docs get paid by the insurance to run you off and try to minimize your pain or condition to keep cost down for the insurance company. They work for the insurance company not you so there are not looking for your best interest. I don't know what state you live in but here in Texas we can pick our own doctor and comp still pays for it. After reading your post it gave me that flash back and I know how you feel and I'd like to kick that doctor in the behind and tell him that should not of hurt I did not do anything.

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    Old 06-17-2003, 09:42 PM   #11
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    Thanks so very much for the wonderful replies! Once again...it's very good to know that I'm not the only one who's been through a nightmare such as this. Iv'e had an attorney since the second week of my accident, because I had a strong feeling from the get go that things like this were going to happen. I contacted my attorney & he said that this absurd behavior is quite typical of Company Doctors. I start seeing the attorney's doctors at the end of July. Hey...anybody in the mood to get poked with a broken wooden Q-Tip??? http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif Lol!!!! Sorry...Sue's (need2fuse) is teaching me how to have a sense of humor!

    Carolyn

    P.s. By the way...Was diagnoised with Degenerate Disc Disease. Do'n great being only 42, huh? http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/love1.gif

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    Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.
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    42 YEARS OLD Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.

     
    Old 06-18-2003, 09:51 AM   #12
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    Hi Carolyn,
    I'm sorry to be late answering this, I come online but i cant stay on long. It usually takes me three sessions to reply to everyone, but I am in flare up , and just couldn't get on again yesterday.
    I , among others have had this happen, unfortunatly, too many of us have had this experience. Workers comp, and MVA's, can be difficult. The doctors that work for these agencies , work for them. They are the ones that are hostile. They make a visit, hell, and it goes against everything that they SHOULD stand for. The humiliation of walking in to a DR who is hostile is horrific. These people make you feel like you are on trial when you see them. The attitude seems to be that they expect you to be overexagerating,lying and or faking. To have to try to prove pain is impossible. And the more they make you feel that you are on trial, the more emotional you get and then it all goes wrong.
    I have been thru this with the docs for the car insurance company. It is a humiliating experience, and the fact that they degrade you is abhorrant.
    You must remember they work for the agency and not you.The most improtant thing to do, is get a consult with an NS of your choosing. Pay for it yourself if you have to. I think the average consult is 300 $. It will be the best money you have spent. Not only to take care of yourself , but to give yourself the necessary diagnosis for your correct treatment . This will also provide the paperwork to establish your claim, and to repudiate the WC dr.
    I have done this, and it is a fight sometimes.But each and everyone of us who they do this to, and walks away encourages this kind of system , because it works. And it is almost like the name of the game is to humiliate you, and get you to give up the claim. I wont lie and say it is easy, but you need to be prepared.YOu must hold onto your self esteem, which they attempt to rob you of, and fight them. For yourself and to eventually help to change a way of treating people.Eventually this will change, when they realise it is not profitable to pursue this tactic.To understand that spending the money initially to provide correct diagnosis and treatment is more cost effective in the long run.There have been many studies that have proved this. Including results that show that early and correct intervention , not only shorten the time that someone is off work, but decreases medical costs.
    I am so sorry that this happened to you, the system that allows this to happen is disgusting.Just remember , only you know what you are feeling, do not allow them to cause you self doubt. The Dr.s that work for these companies, are nothing more than hired guns. They get paid to discredit you.It is sad, but there is so much of this. These Dr.s write alot of mumbo jumbo to appease the agency that they work for, and often cover their butts legally with a small statement in the report that protects them from legal action, they will include often some statement of your symptoms. And often have a statement along the lines of , this is my assessment based on available data, should any further information become available, I would be pleased to reassess the situation. There they have covered their ***.
    Be strong in yourself,protect yourself with a good neurosurgical consult.If i can help in anyway , please feel free to ask.
    I am so saddened and angered by this. These kind of Dr.s do more damage to a persons self esteem and trust in the medical system than is tolerable.
    Keep in touch, and know that there is here a safe place to vent and voice your questions and fears.
    Take care, Mel


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    Paracentral Disc herniations ,bone spurs C4/5,C5/6,C6/7
    loss of lordotic curve
    Advanced myelopathy inc. walking difficulty, loss of gag reflex with swallowing problems, neurogenic bladder, occipital neuralgia, spacticity

     
    Old 06-18-2003, 10:33 AM   #13
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    Sounds like the SOS (same old sh*t). You need to call W/C and tell them that the doctor was unable to perform his job. GRRRR.....

    The next one they send you to, have your hubby come back with you and bring a video camera. If the doc asks you to turn off the tape, do it, but make sure your hubby has a hidden tape recorder and takes copious notes.

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    Old 06-18-2003, 04:48 PM   #14
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    Quote:
    Originally posted by melanie dawn:
    Hi Carolyn,
    I'm sorry to be late answering this, I come online but i cant stay on long. It usually takes me three sessions to reply to everyone, but I am in flare up , and just couldn't get on again yesterday.
    I , among others have had this happen, unfortunatly, too many of us have had this experience. Workers comp, and MVA's, can be difficult. The doctors that work for these agencies , work for them. They are the ones that are hostile. They make a visit, hell, and it goes against everything that they SHOULD stand for. The humiliation of walking in to a DR who is hostile is horrific. These people make you feel like you are on trial when you see them. The attitude seems to be that they expect you to be overexagerating,lying and or faking. To have to try to prove pain is impossible. And the more they make you feel that you are on trial, the more emotional you get and then it all goes wrong.
    I have been thru this with the docs for the car insurance company. It is a humiliating experience, and the fact that they degrade you is abhorrant.
    You must remember they work for the agency and not you.The most improtant thing to do, is get a consult with an NS of your choosing. Pay for it yourself if you have to. I think the average consult is 300 $. It will be the best money you have spent. Not only to take care of yourself , but to give yourself the necessary diagnosis for your correct treatment . This will also provide the paperwork to establish your claim, and to repudiate the WC dr.
    I have done this, and it is a fight sometimes.But each and everyone of us who they do this to, and walks away encourages this kind of system , because it works. And it is almost like the name of the game is to humiliate you, and get you to give up the claim. I wont lie and say it is easy, but you need to be prepared.YOu must hold onto your self esteem, which they attempt to rob you of, and fight them. For yourself and to eventually help to change a way of treating people.Eventually this will change, when they realise it is not profitable to pursue this tactic.To understand that spending the money initially to provide correct diagnosis and treatment is more cost effective in the long run.There have been many studies that have proved this. Including results that show that early and correct intervention , not only shorten the time that someone is off work, but decreases medical costs.
    I am so sorry that this happened to you, the system that allows this to happen is disgusting.Just remember , only you know what you are feeling, do not allow them to cause you self doubt. The Dr.s that work for these companies, are nothing more than hired guns. They get paid to discredit you.It is sad, but there is so much of this. These Dr.s write alot of mumbo jumbo to appease the agency that they work for, and often cover their butts legally with a small statement in the report that protects them from legal action, they will include often some statement of your symptoms. And often have a statement along the lines of , this is my assessment based on available data, should any further information become available, I would be pleased to reassess the situation. There they have covered their ***.
    Be strong in yourself,protect yourself with a good neurosurgical consult.If i can help in anyway , please feel free to ask.
    I am so saddened and angered by this. These kind of Dr.s do more damage to a persons self esteem and trust in the medical system than is tolerable.
    Keep in touch, and know that there is here a safe place to vent and voice your questions and fears.
    Take care, Mel


    Hi Mel!

    Called my attorney the same day this happened & your right. This behavior is truly typical of Company Insurance/ W/C Doctors. My attorney already has me set-up with another Doctor on 7/29/03. He told me not to even bother calling the Insurance Company unless of course they call me to make arrangements to see another one of "THEIR" Doctors. By law, I have to, that's if they (Insurance Company) arranges another appointment. Funny thing...the last time I heard from my job or their Insurance Company was only a week after my accident. Not a word since. Thank god I have an attorney under my belt. I knew there was going to be trouble from get go with these people. Mel...take care of yourself & try to get some rest. Gotta go. My butt is falling asleep!

    Your Friend,

    Carolyn



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    42 YEARS OLD Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.
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    42 YEARS OLD Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.

     
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    Carolyn,

    This is inexcusable! I would contact your primary care doctor and your insurance customer service and file a complaint against this jerk. I wouldnĺt be surprised if he had other complaints against him!

    Take care and get hugs and tenders from your family and friends.

    Catheric

    Hi Catheric!

    Like I mentioned before to the others, unfortunately this is a workmans comp case & the Dr. that I saw is under Company Insurance & not of my own. I don't have any. ***Shame on me**** Have a new Doctors appt. set up by my lawyer on July 29th. I really didn't want to bring an attorney into this, but I saw alot of problems arising from get go. From my boss trying to get me back to work saying that my injury was questionable to the Company's Insurance Rep's personally going from sweet & understanding to not wanting to deal with me at all. This was just in the second week of my injury. Haven't heard from my Boss or the Insurance Company for two weeks now. I guess maybe it's because I have an attorney involved now. Iv'e never been through this before, so that's just my guess.

    Carolyn

    __________________
    42 YEARS OLD Injured @ work on 5/29/03
    6/5/03 MRI Cervical Spine Results
    C2-3: Disc normal in height. Mild bulging posterior annulus. No central canal stenosis present.
    C3-4: Intervertebral disc normal in height. Small posterior osteophyte/disc complex which causes effacement of the ventral surface of the thecal sac but no central canal stenosis. Mild to moderate right & mild left neural foraminal narrowing due to facet arthropathy & uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C4-5: Moderate disc space narrowing. There's a posterior osteophyte/disc complex with possible superimposed posterior central/right paracentral disc extrusion which migrates minimally along the posterior aspect of L5. Results in mild acquired central canal stenosis. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes & less so to facet arthropathy.
    C5-6: There's moderate to severe discogenic disease. A broad based posterior osteophyte/disc complex causes effacement of the thecal sac resulting in mild acquried central canal stenosis. There's moderately severe bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to uncovertebral osteophytes.
    C6-7: Mild disc space narrowing. There's moderate bilateral neural foraminal narrowing due primarily to unconvertebral osteophytes.
    C7-T1: Intervertebral disc is normal in appearance.
    6/16/03 MRI Results Lumbar Spine
    1. Degenerative Lumbar disc disease L3-4 with a nearly 3mm broad based central disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral aspect of the thecal sac at this level.
    2. Mild annular bulge of the L4-5 disc seen in association with mild facet hypertrophy. Disc extends toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramina bilaterally but without direct neural compression.
    L3-4: There's a central 2-3mm disc protrusion mildly effacing the ventral thecal sac & contributing to a mild degree of aquired central stenosis. No significant foraminal encroahment is identified.
    L4-5: There's a slight flattening of the posterior disc contour. There's mild hypertrophic change of the facet joints. Slight extension of the disc toward the inferior recesses of the exit foramen but below the level of the exiting nerve roots. There's mild hypertrophy of the facet joints.
    L5-S1: No discrete disc protrusion is indentified. No definite central foraminal stenosis noted.

     
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