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    Old 05-18-2003, 01:55 PM   #1
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    Post Getting rid of the blind spots: adjusting your car's side mirrors

    I told Sherry a few weeks ago that I would post this... This is from a GEICO article about George Platzer's method of adjusting your car's rearview mirrors to get rid of the blind spots. George is a consultant who holds a few patents on mirror design. The concept is to rotate the mirrors outward about 7 degrees to see the area not normally covered by your inside rearview mirror:
    * Sitting in the driver's seat, lean to the left until your head just touches the side window.
    * Keep your head here while you adjust your left side mirror so the edge of your fender is just barely visible on the inside edge of the mirror.
    * Now lean the same amount to your right, with your head at the car's centerline and adjust your right mirror the same way. Using the three mirrors, you now will have a panorama view of the area behind and to the sides of your car.

    As Click and Clack of Car Talk said, there was no point in keeping an eye on your rear fender, because it never went anywhere anyway. The only loss to you is a loss of visual reference to your own vehicle (the fender) to the traffic around you, but you'll adjust quickly.

    Here's how the system works: The inside mirror is the primary mirror- it will show you everything except the blind zones. The side mirrors show you ONLY the blind zones. When changing lanes, first look in the inside mirror to observe traffic to the rear. Then look in the outside mirror to see if there's a car in the blind zone.

    A car passing from behind will first appear in your center rearview mirror. Before it leaves that mirror, it will appear in the side mirror, and as it passes from the side mirror's view, it will appear in your peripheral vision. Be sure to use your mirrors; continually scanning what's ahead and behind will help keep you on top of every situation.

    My suggestion is that if you plan to try this, do it at a time when you will be in light traffic to begin with... until you get to know what's what. Hope this helps all of us with reduced flexibility of the spine... theoretically, now we don't have to glance over our shoulders, but that's a tough habit to change.
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    Old 05-18-2003, 03:49 PM   #2
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    Wing~

    Thanks for that info! I had no idea there was a proper way to adjust those mirrors. I drive a Rav 4, and it has a big blind spot, compounded by the fact that I'm 5 ft. tall.

    I'm sure gonna miss my rear fenders though!

    Thanks again,

    ~Teri

    [This message has been edited by franjo (edited 05-18-2003).]
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    Old 06-01-2003, 05:58 PM   #3
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    Old 06-01-2003, 09:40 PM   #4
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    WINGED
    Do you know if this would work for large box trucks?Hubby has tried many things and still omplains off blind spots
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    Old 06-02-2003, 04:24 AM   #5
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    Gee, Elaine, I really don't know; that seems almost like a different animal. Perhaps you should ask... this article was from GEICO's magazine, but Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers, (Car Talk) have something similar. I hope you can find out.
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    Old 06-02-2003, 04:35 PM   #6
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    I've adjusted my mirrors per your explanation and it's great. No blind spot at all now. It does take some getting used to, though. Old habits die hard. But the security it gives is well worth learning a new way of doing things. Thanks!

    ~Teri

    [This message has been edited by franjo (edited 06-03-2003).]
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    Fusion with Herrington Rod instrumentation-1970
    Femoral osteotomy-1971
    Tethered cord release-1987
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    Old 06-02-2003, 04:57 PM   #7
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    HI Teri,
    Yes, it does take getting used to. I've had them like this for a few months... course I've barely driven 200 miles this whole year! I've always felt... "seeing is believing," and relied on actually looking all over. That is nearly impossible right now... I hate backing up! I'm so afraid that getting out of parking spaces, I'm going to run someone over! You'd think I was "blue hair" or something. Maybe things will be better in another month of taking it easy. I'll be hoofing it probably when I'm on my own. Or I'll just read or watch the scenery go by.
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    Old 06-06-2003, 07:50 AM   #8
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    Hi Wr,

    Great idea. I will give this a go as I find driving a nightmare on the neck from being so girraffe tall. If only we could get a device to turn the neck for us!

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    Old 06-25-2003, 06:13 AM   #9
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    C5-6 disc protrusion with bone spurs compressing the left cord, severe stenosis
    C6-7 disc protrusion with bone spurs but does not compress the cord, neural foraminal stenosis.
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    Old 06-25-2003, 12:09 PM   #10
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    Great info, thanks for passing this along. I drove for the first time yesterday and was a nervous wreck. I will definitely print this off and adjust mirrors before venturing out again.
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    Old 06-26-2003, 06:50 AM   #11
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    Great information! I'm determined to drive next week. This weekend I'll set my mirrors and go on a test drive with my husband. YEAH!

    Thanks again.
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    Old 06-27-2003, 07:07 AM   #12
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    Oh, this is so cool. Thanks http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/jester.gif Jasmine
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    C2-T1 mild central spondylosis without significant stenosis.
    C3-C4 broad-based spondylosis and bulging with mild to moderate flattening of the anterior epidural space.
    C4-C5 broad-based spondylosis and bulging eccentric to the left with mild to moderate compression upon the anterior epidural space.
    C5-C6 spondylosis with a broad-based protrusion with moderate compression of the anterior epidural space.
    C6-C7 mild central spondylosis and a small midline protrusion with minimal flattening of the anterior epidural space.

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    Old 09-19-2003, 06:47 AM   #13
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    Old 09-19-2003, 06:59 AM   #14
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    Wing

    Thanks for the info and for bumping. Apparently you have never driven an LHS - the rear fender and bumper are constantly passing me on the road lol.

    All kidding aside, I'll definately give that a shot. I used to drive larger vehicles as my husband and myself own a concrete business and am very used to using the mirrors, but like many others, will miss the rear of my car .

    One problem with my car is that when I put it in reverse the side mirrors automatically point down and in - WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT???? I have called the dealership, read and re-read the manual and cannot figure out how to disable this feature. Some may like it, but for me it is VERY dangerous!

    The other issue I have with driving, however, is pulling into traffic from a parking lot or from an on ramp on the highway as my neck just doesn't turn far enough that way anymore.

    Thanks for the help, though.

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    Old 09-19-2003, 07:21 AM   #15
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    Hmmm... no, I've never driven an LHS. But I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Just kidding. I did once have a Grand Voyager, though, and my side mirrors never did what you are describing. That does sound very STUPID, and you should not stop just with contacting the dealership; I would go all the way up the line to the manufacturer and even to NHTSA to complain. Why in the world would you not be able to use your mirrors while backing? This is totally idiotic and IS a safety hazard. This should be repaired at absolutely no charge to you... Call Click and Clack if you need to, or Clark Howard; either of them should be able to help you solve this problem.

    I hear you about the pulling into traffic from ramps (although if the on-ramp is long enough, the mirrors will be able to help you see) and at other "angles". It's a tough stretch which I have to do slowly so I don't pull something. And I, too, have missed the security of knowing my fenders are still with me.
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