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    Old 08-06-2004, 08:10 PM   #1
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    confused about hyper

    I'll try to make this short as possible but clear in thought...lol, fat chance.

    ok, first I have lost 18 pounds without trying, I feel jittery inside sometimes, I toss and turn all night so I am wore out the next day. I skipped two months on my period but thought I was starting early menopause, then I finally started and it wouldn't stop, I have acne break outs, muscle weakness/soreness. HOT......did I mention hot? I thought hot flashes from menopause. I finally went to my gyne doc because of the constant bleeding. She ran all kinds of test ruling out cancer of the ovaries and unterus. Then she decided to run a hormone test on my thyroid and pituitary glands. The nurse called a week later and said my thyroid was low and I needed to come talk to the doc......I hung up the phone confused......Low? Then why did I lose 18 pounds? I went to see the gynecologist and she said my blood levels were low from the thyroid which meant I was Hyperthyroid......I said low but hyper? I thought low meant hypo. She said that the hormone is 0.25, just a little low.....it should be about0.28 to 0.35 and since it was that low it was making the brain tell my thyroid to send out more hormones so it makes me hyper. Wow now I am confused because I have searched the internet and can't find out what exactly the hormone is that should fall into the range of 0.28 to 0.35.
    Anyway the doc said since it was just off a little she wanted to wait 3 months to see if it gets better or worse. In the mean time she said I was going to be alright but if I felt worse to call her right away.
    Any idea's?
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    Old 08-06-2004, 08:22 PM   #2
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    Re: confused about hyper

    When you are hyper your TSH is low. TSH is a pituitary hormone that signals the thyroid to either produce more thyroid hormone or quit producing thyroid hormone.

    I'm betting it is the TSH that they are referring to which is slightly low.
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    Old 08-06-2004, 08:34 PM   #3
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    You need to ask your doc to see your labs and find out what test it was referring to. It probably was the TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone). TSH is sort of a reverse indicator....when TSH is high, it means your not putting out enough hornorne essentially. When its too low, as yours is pretty close, it means you are putting out too much Thyroid hormone, which regulates your metabolism and heart rate and temperature...hence the jumpiness, nervousness. Other indicators are buldging eyes, heart palps, slight tremor, heat intolerance, food goes right through you...all depends on how hyper you are.

    A few simple indicators (although not nearly as good as a blood test) of being Hyper for you to try would be testing your body temperature the second you wake up without moving around too much. I would expect you would be a little higher than 98.6 degrees if you were Hyper. On the opposite side, Im HypO (too little hormone) and my body temp when I first wake up is typically around 96.5, not 98.6 where its supposed to be...you might be around 99.4 or so if you were hyper.

    Also take your pulse when rested and still. When your hyper it will be slightly elevated, assuming you know where you should be normally. Let's say an average rate for you is 74 beats per minute when you are "normal", if you're Hyper, you could expect that rate at rest to remain around 88 - 92 might be typical depending on how hyper you are, if that is the case.

    Ask your doc for a T3, Free T3, T4, Free T4 and Thyroid antibodies test to know for sure...particularly the Free T's. These are good indicators of what's going on.

     
    Old 08-07-2004, 12:17 AM   #4
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    Originally Posted by katkat
    I'll try to make this short as possible but clear in thought...lol, fat chance.

    ok, first I have lost 18 pounds without trying, I feel jittery inside sometimes, I toss and turn all night so I am wore out the next day. I skipped two months on my period but thought I was starting early menopause, then I finally started and it wouldn't stop, I have acne break outs, muscle weakness/soreness. HOT......did I mention hot? I thought hot flashes from menopause. I finally went to my gyne doc because of the constant bleeding. She ran all kinds of test ruling out cancer of the ovaries and unterus. Then she decided to run a hormone test on my thyroid and pituitary glands. The nurse called a week later and said my thyroid was low and I needed to come talk to the doc......I hung up the phone confused......Low? Then why did I lose 18 pounds? I went to see the gynecologist and she said my blood levels were low from the thyroid which meant I was Hyperthyroid......I said low but hyper? I thought low meant hypo. She said that the hormone is 0.25, just a little low.....it should be about0.28 to 0.35 and since it was that low it was making the brain tell my thyroid to send out more hormones so it makes me hyper. Wow now I am confused because I have searched the internet and can't find out what exactly the hormone is that should fall into the range of 0.28 to 0.35.
    Anyway the doc said since it was just off a little she wanted to wait 3 months to see if it gets better or worse. In the mean time she said I was going to be alright but if I felt worse to call her right away.
    Any idea's?
    Kat

    when you are hypO, as i am, your TSH number is high (i was DX'd at 3.9, but many others aren't so fortunate -- i've seen TSH levels as high as 75, and even higher) .. when you are hypER, your TSH is low, and that must have been what that nurse called you about -- in your case, low meaning the actual number ...

    as for you being "just off a little" -- piffle! no such thing as "just off a little" with symptoms as severe as yours -- your doctor sounds like she was blind or something ...

    how much longer is your doctor willing to accept your not suing her for gross negligence when you almost bleed to death?? and how much longer are you going to accept "lost 18 pounds without trying, I feel jittery inside sometimes, I toss and turn all night so I am wore out the next day. I skipped two months on my period but thought I was starting early menopause, then I finally started and it wouldn't stop, I have acne break outs, muscle weakness/soreness. HOT"? WHAT?? for a few 100th's of a number on a TSH? get a free T3, a free T4, and i don't know what all else you have to do to get a hypER DX -- if your doctor won't do those tests, i'd stop going to her ...

    if it's support/info you want, you've come to the right place (but i'm hypo, so unfamiliar with the treatment of hypER -- i think inderal, but i'm not sure - beta blockers?) ... read the sticky: information archive near the top of this board, and good luck!!

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    Old 08-07-2004, 05:51 AM   #5
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    Thanks you guys. As I said she is my gyne doc and I ask that my test results be sent to my family doctor. He should have them by next week so I will call and talk to his wife/nurse to see what he reccomends.
    thanks again, I'll be back to learn more and let you know what is going on.
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    Old 08-07-2004, 07:30 AM   #6
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    Re: confused about hyper

    Most family doctors will refer you to an endocrinlogist. Find a good one. Some of them can really mess you up. I'm hyper and I had the same symptoms you have except for the bleeding thing...I'm post menopausal! My edno dr. put me on tapazole 5 mg., sure worked for me.

    My advice, see a endo specialist. Family doctors don't know all there is to know about thyroid problems....endos do!

     
    Old 08-07-2004, 08:32 AM   #7
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    thanks for the information. As I said before I will let you all know what happens.
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    Old 08-07-2004, 02:13 PM   #8
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    Most family doctors will refer you to an endocrinlogist. Find a good one. Some of them can really mess you up. I'm hyper and I had the same symptoms you have except for the bleeding thing...I'm post menopausal! My edno dr. put me on tapazole 5 mg., sure worked for me.

    My advice, see a endo specialist. Family doctors don't know all there is to know about thyroid problems....endos do!
    most endos know about thyroid problems, but they usually treat diabetics ..

    my endo gets his knickers in a knot when my free T3 is at the top of its range or just 1 1/100th of a point above (i think it was actually 5.8, which is a tenth -- my lab's range for a free T3 is 2.5 to 5.7) ... i took his advice once and reduced my synthroid, and ended up feeling just awful again, but my GP fully backs me up on my treatment, so now i get my synthroid/cytomel from him, instead of my endo ...

    my point is twofold: that these ranges don't mean much - as i said, my lab's range for a free T3 is 2.5 to 5.7, yet at 5.7 i felt (relatively) well (it actually went up to 8 at one point, but only my GP and i know about that ... a couple of weeks later i began having this vague feeling of anxiety, i cut myself back, and now i don't feel well again, which tells me i shouldn't have cut back so much) ... my endo had a fit when my fT3 was 5.8 ... i'm still struggling to get back to how well i felt then, and that was weeks ago -- couple of months? and that you never know who'll help you -- my GP, bless his heart, was the last person i expected to help me ...

    when i think that your TSH was 0.25, and the range is 0.28 to 0.35 -- my lord, girl, you have all the symptoms!! and, let's see, 0.28 - 0.25 = .03 points off? get my drift here??

    my advice to you is to buy a book called "the thyroid solution" by dr. ridha arem, and "thyroid for dummies", which i gather is also quite good ....arem explains how these ranges are arrived at: an average of healthy ppl, and then it's averaged again, and i think again, and they come up with these almost-bogus ranges, to which many doctors voraciously cling, to the very nth of a point ...

    now that you've let me vent , thanks --- i needed that!!
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    Old 08-07-2004, 02:42 PM   #9
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    Re: confused about hyper

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    Originally Posted by katkat
    I'll try to make this short as possible but clear in thought...lol, fat chance.

    ok, first I have lost 18 pounds without trying, I feel jittery inside sometimes, I toss and turn all night so I am wore out the next day. I skipped two months on my period but thought I was starting early menopause, then I finally started and it wouldn't stop, I have acne break outs, muscle weakness/soreness. HOT......did I mention hot? I thought hot flashes from menopause. I finally went to my gyne doc because of the constant bleeding. She ran all kinds of test ruling out cancer of the ovaries and unterus. Then she decided to run a hormone test on my thyroid and pituitary glands. The nurse called a week later and said my thyroid was low and I needed to come talk to the doc......I hung up the phone confused......Low? Then why did I lose 18 pounds? I went to see the gynecologist and she said my blood levels were low from the thyroid which meant I was Hyperthyroid......I said low but hyper? I thought low meant hypo. She said that the hormone is 0.25, just a little low.....it should be about0.28 to 0.35 and since it was that low it was making the brain tell my thyroid to send out more hormones so it makes me hyper. Wow now I am confused because I have searched the internet and can't find out what exactly the hormone is that should fall into the range of 0.28 to 0.35.
    Anyway the doc said since it was just off a little she wanted to wait 3 months to see if it gets better or worse. In the mean time she said I was going to be alright but if I felt worse to call her right away.
    Any idea's?
    Kat

     
    Old 08-07-2004, 03:11 PM   #10
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    If You Lost 18 Pounds And Feel Jittery Who Have A Hyper Active Throid Which Means Your Thyroid Gland Is Making Too Much Thyroxin ,the Thyroid Gland Is The Second Largest Gland In The Body So It Controls Alot Of Things.it Speeds Up Your Heart Rate And Metabolism Contols Your Nervous System .it Also Can Make Your Very Sensitive To Temperature. You Can Be Sweating When Its 32 Degrees Below Zero. Iam Not 100 Percent How Sure How The Levels Work But I Think They Work Opposite High Levels Equals Hypo Active Thyroid ,low Levels Equals Hyper Active Thyroid.i Would Seek Advice From An Endocrologist,18 Lbs Is Alot Of Weight To Lose.how Much Time Did It Take You To Lose The Weight? I Lost 40 Lbs In 2 Months.and Was Found To Have Graves Disease. Which Is A Severve Case Of Hyperactive Thyroid.there Are Several Things They Try To Slow It Down . But Mine Was So Bad I Eventually Had To Have My Thyroid Gland Removed. Any Other Questions Let Me Know.

     
    Old 08-07-2004, 03:12 PM   #11
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    i just replied to the wrong thing ...

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    Old 08-16-2004, 08:22 AM   #12
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    My regular family doc has been on vacation. He got back Saturday so he can look at my test results and let me know what he thinks I should do next. I feel just fine some days but then out of the blue I start feeling awful. Yesterday I got up, dressed, teeth brushed, makeup on and feeling fine. I went to pour my first cup of coffee and a wave of nausea hit me like a ton of bricks, it took my breath away. That was 7 AM. I ended up laying down until 10AM when the nausea finally passed. Can hyperthyroid cause nausea? The rest of the day I was shaky and weak feeling but no more nausea.
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    My regular family doc has been on vacation. He got back Saturday so he can look at my test results and let me know what he thinks I should do next. I feel just fine some days but then out of the blue I start feeling awful. Yesterday I got up, dressed, teeth brushed, makeup on and feeling fine. I went to pour my first cup of coffee and a wave of nausea hit me like a ton of bricks, it took my breath away. That was 7 AM. I ended up laying down until 10AM when the nausea finally passed. Can hyperthyroid cause nausea? The rest of the day I was shaky and weak feeling but no more nausea.
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    a week ago friday, i was feeling pretty good about going on vacation that day, my energy was up, when all of a sudden i had a wave of nausea that lasted about 1/2 an hour ... i'm always tripping on the edge of being hyper, and i think that was it ...

    about four days previous, i'd increased my dose of synthroid to cope with this vacation, and still the dose i was on faded after about four days -- b/c i went tubing and a lot of boating (getting in and out of the darn thing was a trick in itself), and climbing the hill to the cottage -- daunting!! there were huge tree roots too !

    so it was probably the hypER ... it happened to me once before too ...

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    are you saying what you do physically can effect your thyroid level?

     
    Old 08-22-2004, 01:43 PM   #15
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    are you saying what you do physically can effect your thyroid level?
    yes, meep and i (and various others) have discussed this ...

    first of all, meep's post of thyroid myths is at http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=103584

    and his post about metabolism is at
    http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1122769#post1122769

    and darned if i can find the little exchange that meep and i had about increasing one's meds, but it worked for me (unfortunately i cut back too much b/c of a 1/2-hour attack of nausea, stayed on that dose, and began to crash after about four days while on vacation -- i sure won't do that again), and is esp. helpful if know you're going on vacation where there will be all kinds of stresses and strains (plane, car, climb, boat, active active active ), and emotional stress too ...

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