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Old 05-26-2002, 05:30 PM   #1
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Armour/hyper & hypo

Hi everyone!
Hope all is well <IMG SRC=""> Although I haven't posted much lately, I have been dropping by to check up on you all.
Currently, I need some support again. Hopeyou don't mind.

I finally made the switch over to Armour about a month ago. I didn't see any immediate improvements but then I did notice a little less swelling in my legs. I am feeling very disappointed lately - I had high hopes and I guess I still do. I'm confused about why I still get hyper and hypo symptoms. I was feeling soooooooooo unbelievably sluggish and miserable over a week ago and then I ended up having hyper symptoms (racing heart; feeling feverish; hyper; etc.). My hair is still falling <IMG SRC=""> My eyes feel awful. Why is the lump in my neck feeling larger - I'm starting to feel/look like a football player. LOL. What causes this?! (My thyroid checked out okay on an ultrasound last year - I think swelling on the right or something but it was okay.) I've been told I have Grave's, Hashimoto's, hypothyroidism. Which is it? And when does it ever get regulated? It seems when I increase from the 1.5 grains I'm on that I get more hyper symptoms but I feel like doo-ty now.
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PS The only other thing I have noticed is that my skin has gotten yucky. I used to have gorgeous skin on my face - I was/am very proud of it. But, over the past few weeks, I have some mild acne almost like a red rash and some dryness. HELP!!!

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Old 05-28-2002, 03:42 AM   #2
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Re: Armour/hyper & hypo

Thanks for the update! I am sorry that your problem is not solved yet.

I have read that it is common to have a reaction at first to a higher dose. I had to back off from a dose once, but am now way past it, with no hyper feelings or symptoms whatsoever. I have also just weathered a dose increase, then later on the hyperness went away.

Those feelings can be helped by taking zinc and copper in the right ratio, too. See the information archive topic for that info. I hope you can find your solution soon. I know it is frustrating, esp. with all those different diagnosis'.

Do you have The Thyroid Solution, the book? I'm sorry, I don't remember if you told us.

Old 05-29-2002, 05:27 PM   #3
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Thanks for the response, Tree Frog!
I have been waiting. I really need support lately.
Ihave the book but have read it on and off. I tried to take what I could from it, as needed <IMG SRC="">
I have tried the copper and zinc. I'm so confused and frustrated lately <IMG SRC=""> My heart rate has hit new highs .. pretty scary weekend for me. I can't wait to see the doctor. The good thing is that I found a new one who is closer to home and seems like he wants to listen to me at least! Let's just hope he has some great new insights <IMG SRC="">
Thanks for listening. I guess that's what I need most. I don't confide in many people about the d/o. I don't even know what exactly to call it anymore. What do you think about my neck? The doctor couldn't shed too much light on it yet .. except to say that I had a swollen thyroid (????). I feel like a football player w/respect to my neck.. crazy stuff over here! LOL.
My biggest concerns are my heart, my hair, my skin, the water retention, my neck .. Okay, so there are a few. LOl.
Hope you're doing well. Wish me luck with the doctor <IMG SRC="">

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Re: Armour/hyper & hypo

You have to keep on taking the zinc and copper, not "try" it, as supplements are not quick effects. they give the body a chance to heal.
Also magnesium is necessary for a calm heart.

I suggest that you sit down and just read the book through, and put a marker at what seems pertinent. If you try to use it as a health dictionary, you will miss valuable points to help you understand.

You may have a goiter, a swollen thyroid. All of those things sound like hypothyridism, and I think you need to make a great effort to deal with the symptoms to give your body a chance to recover and rebalance.

Anyway, I hope the new doc is really helpful.

Keep on breathing girl! <IMG SRC="">
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Old 05-30-2002, 10:24 PM   #5
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I can not believe that I found someone else that has both Hashi's and Graves'. I had a doozy of a ride getting diagnosed. I had symptoms from both diseases also. I also had a multinodular toxic goiter, that was "killed" with Radioactive iodine. The goiter caused certain area's to be Hyper and others to be Hypo. Which made me a difficult patient to treat <IMG SRC="">
I was also pregnant at the time and ended up losing my son. I have antibodies also. The good news is, with a doctor that listens to you rather than the textbooks can help resolve your levels. Sometimes, though, even when I am clinically "okay" I don't feel so great. <IMG SRC=""> But I have found that a good attitude and sense of humor help <IMG SRC=""> I also blessed <IMG SRC=""> with Graves' ophthamology (poppy eyeballs) I wish you all the best! If there is anything that I can help you with let me know.

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Old 06-08-2002, 05:01 PM   #6
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Thank you!
I'm pretty confused and miserable lately. The doc is at least very open to trying new doses, frequent bloodwork etc. Thank goodness I have a great sense of humor. LOL. <IMG SRC=""> Even so, this is ridiculously trying. One day at a time.
Best wishes!

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This is from a website I posted about in the Information Archive on 2/12/02:
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<B>Antithyroid Antibodies:</B>
"Antithyroid antibodies often are associated with and play a role in thyroid diseases. The antibodies of most clinical importance are the Antithyroid Microsomal (measured by the Antithyroid Peroxidase assay and also referred to as anti TPO antibodies), the Antithyroglobulin and the Thyroid Simulating Immunoglobulin.

The <B>Antithyroid Microsomal Antibodies</B> are usually elevated in patients with Autoimmune Thyroiditis <B>(Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis)</B> and may be used to help predict which patients with subclinical hypothyroidism (Normal Free T4 and elevated TSH) will go on to develop overt hypothyroidism.

<B>Antithyroglobulin antibodies</B> may also be elevated in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis, but this is less frequent and to a lesser degree.

<B>Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulins</B> are associated with Grave’s Disease and are the likely cause of the hyperthyroidism seen in this condition. These antibodies attach to the thyrotropin (TSH) receptor in the thyroid gland and activate it.

While Antithyroid Microsomal Antibody levels are usually highest in Autoimmune Thyroiditis, and Thyroid Simulating Immunoglobulins are highest in Grave’s Disease, <B>each may be present in both the diseases</B>, as well as in family members without clinical disease.

There are several other less common antibodies associated with autoimmune thyroid disease but they are usually not measured in the clinical setting."

It sounds like you may have Hashi's antibodies and also Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulins, with the more of the latter than the former (resulting in hyperthyroidism).

Are either of you taking Selenium? You should probably consider taking 200 mcg/day to help fight the antibodies. (See my other post of 2/12/02 in the Information Archive.)

Hope you both feel better soon!!<p>[This message has been edited by ArtfulD (edited 06-09-2002).]

Old 06-11-2002, 06:27 AM   #8
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Re: Armour/hyper & hypo

Dear Enuf: We've corresponded before on our hair loss problem. At the recommendation of my hair stylist, I've been using Nioxin for a couple of mos. and it has helped. You can only purchase it at a hair saloon, but it's worth a try. I also take Primrose Oil and Biotin. I asked my doctor about my vitamins and she said they were have to be careful not to take too many, such as Vitamin A, that can cause hair loss.
It takes awhile for all of these things to work, however, don't expect overnight improvement. Good luck to you. I know how you feel, but it's always helpful to be able to share with others.

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