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    Old 08-09-2003, 05:24 PM   #1
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    Hi All,

    I was looking over LVI's site today, (Las Vegas Institute for advanced dental studies) and noticed something quite disturbing. They are currently offering a course entitled "Developing a Ca$h Practice".

    Seeing this course being offered really has me thinking, and I'd like your opinions on this topic, especially those of you that are looking for a dentist with a Neuromuscular background, or are currently seeing one.

    I have gotten approval to discuss this topic with all of you. What do all of you think of this?
    Cheryl

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    Old 08-09-2003, 05:56 PM   #2
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    Cheryl,

    I agree with you. It is very disturbing for a dental school to offer such a business course, unless it is to make a dental office more efficient. It does not sound that way, however. I may be wrong, but it seems to teach how to maximize benefits by not dealing with insurance, and by having patients become guests (not patients) and loyal to the practice. It would be interesting to find out how they do that. I hope they are not teaching them how to sell or advertise a particular treatment and practice to patients, at the expense of truly helping them with their suffering and medical problems. Does it teach them how to have a patient accept a particular treatment and sky-high prices? These things make me sick. I bet no dentist would want those business courses listed with his/her name if he/she takes them.

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    Old 08-09-2003, 06:09 PM   #3
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    Hi Cheryl,
    I find it a bit disturbing too, but lets face it. Who's not in business to make money? I know that this type of seminars go on for all types of medical and dental practices. My dentist, like yours, seems extremely fair on his billing compared to what I have read on this board, and I feel very fortunate. But the guy in town that I took my daughter for braces must have taken many of this type of courses. This place just rules when it comes to braces, people come from all over to go to this guy. The place runs like clock work, in three years we never waited once. The staff knows their stuff and this little orthodontist runs around top speed seing one patient after another all day long just raking in the bucks. I actually knew I was paying about 1000.00 too much but still went to him because of all the fun perks they do for kids and such. So I just consider some people better at business, and some more concerned about truly helping people without raking them over the coals, you know???
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    Old 08-09-2003, 06:12 PM   #4
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    HI CHeryl!
    If I had seen that course description before, when I was looking for a neuromusuclar dentist, I would have NEVER gone to DR B. I am soooo glad that I didn't see it. Diane



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    Old 08-09-2003, 06:46 PM   #5
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    Cheryl,

    I agree, this is quite disturbing, after seeing some of the treatment plan costs that some of the members have been quoted.

    I briefly checked out some of the other facilities courses and seminars and didn't see anything quite like it.

    I plan to take a more indepth look at some of the others later as you have certainly peeked my interest with this information.

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    Old 08-09-2003, 07:03 PM   #6
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    dear god.. im so worried about dr. rondeau. i noticed someone else said that he teaches a course concerning how to make money. blah. i seriously have a strong dislike for health professionals.

    hopefully he wont seem scummy or into scamming me....

    - saaraah.

     
    Old 08-09-2003, 07:22 PM   #7
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    Here lies one of the problems with the fact that insurance companies aren't covering this, there is also no one to police the prices. Ive seen 3 neuros now, the only thing close was the price of the home TENS unit (all within 100 of each other). The treament prices vaired by $2000! I even double checked all that was included in the pricing. I also had one tell me they would rebuild my mouth I didn't even want to ask the price on that, I think it was over a grand a tooth though.

    Also there is no regulation of the quality of service, like in earlier posts we talk about how some orthos just take a few classes in TMJ and add it to their practice because they know it is a CASH COW. I mean most of us are adults in pain, we are desperate unlike kids who need braces. We are eager to give our credit cards for any amount of relief or to be able to eat with our families agian. Some of these doctors I respect greatly, some I have no more respect for than porn producers, at least you know what you're getting with them.
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    Old 08-09-2003, 07:24 PM   #8
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    Hi Cheryl:
    I find this to be extremely disturbing. But you know Cheryl, as so many of us have discussed on this in the past far too many doctors/dentists are the field they are in simply for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I haven't seen any who were bold enough to advertise it though. It makes me so mad I could spit.
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    Old 08-09-2003, 07:30 PM   #9
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    Don't spit, that takes too many jaw muscles
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    Old 08-09-2003, 07:51 PM   #10
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    Every profession has these courses.

    It is not unique to dentists and it is not a slam on
    all dentists or members of any profession.

    I grow apples and there are always some bad ones.

    You just sort them out, you don't give up on apples!

     
    Old 08-09-2003, 07:51 PM   #11
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    Thanks MDLA, I needed that!
    Ha ha ha! :-)



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    Old 08-09-2003, 08:25 PM   #12
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    Hi Cheryl:

    Wow!! This course certainly puts a different slant on LVI. If I saw this course listed under any a dentist I was considering, I'd cross them off my list so fast! If I consider seeing an LVI dentist in future, I'll call the institute directly to see if they've taken this course.

    I've heard of dentists giving seminars on making $$. There is a dentist who's been discussed here (in London, Ontario) who runs seminars on how to bill over $250,000 a year. Several people have been helped by him, but that seems to be his main priority these days. Navy, perhaps that's Dr. A's as well. One gets that impression, based on his fees. It makes me wonder if the dentist I saw yesterday has taken that course. Pre-splint, the only options he mentioned were orthodontics and mouth reconstruction. It wasn't until I mentioned having a permanent splint that he said that was also an option. Funny, how he forgot to mention the option that will cost the least

    The tone of the course description also concerns me. It sounds like the idea is to "manage" the patient with a lot of rhetoric and psychology.

    Cheryl, thanks for spotting that, and passing the information on.

    Hugarooneys,
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    Old 08-09-2003, 08:46 PM   #13
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    There is a difference in teaching a course on how to rip off your clients or teaching a course on how to structure your practice more efficiently. Dentists learn how to do dental work. However, the reality is that they are running a business as well. They need to learn about good business practices. There are dentists who are out to get every penny they can get. There are dentists who just want to make a living in line with the expense of their training and the equipment, rental of space, supplies, employee salaries, etc. In any case, a dentist who learns how to run his business well will be a better dentist, because inefficiency will not get in the way. With that said, dentists do know that some procedures yield more profit than others. For example, cosmetic dentistry is profitable. They don't have to take what insurance will pay because insurance does not cover it. The ethical dentist will not push cosmetic dentistry where it is not warranted. There are ethical and unethical in all businesses. It is unfortunate, however, that we have to shop around to protect ourselves when it comes to our health and well being. When we are in pain, we are vulnerable. If we need a filling, do we shop around to compare prices and quality of materials? No, we just go to the dentist and get it done and assume that the price will be fair. I believe that a course will not make an ethical dentist unethical. The quality of character is there or it isn't. The consumer has to beware.

     
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    I'd love to hear other's opinions on this subject.

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    Old 08-09-2003, 10:24 PM   #15
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    Cheryl,
    I agree with you. This course is troubling. Sounds like a way for the unethical to justify charging large amounts. My son recently experienced this sort of thing in regard to dental work. Two other dentists told him quietly when he went to them for a second opinion that he had been way overcharged for a dental procedure. The story is a lot longer, but this is enough to get the point across.

     
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