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    Old 07-12-2004, 08:00 PM   #1
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    Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    Recently, I developed the habit of having a diet soda every day. Diet Vanilla Pepsi is my favorite. It's zero-calories, zero carbs, zero sugar, low in sodium, and tastes great. Of course I know it's not as good as water, but when I crave something "sweet," I'll have a bottle.

    So, my question is, what's the catch? It MUST have some negative effect on your health, no doubt, so I'd appreciate it VERY much if someone can point out the downfalls for me, perhaps? Thank you in advance!!

    P.S. I did some research before posting this. And I read a lot about how it can cause fat to store in the adomonen (altho I dont see how that's possible since it's fat-free) and that it can hinder weight loss, as well. Is this true? I'm quite skeptical.

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    Old 07-12-2004, 08:29 PM   #2
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    Well, I'm no expert on the evils of sodas, diet or otherwise, but I drink my fair share of Diet Coke and, from watching WHAT and HOW MUCH I eat, I've lost 13 pounds in less than 2 months.


     
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    I'll answer your question as best I can. Diet sodapop is made up primarily of indigestable chemicals... sounds gross, right? But its true. In fact all chemical additives, preservatives, and artificial sweeteners are handled by the body as toxins.

    Your liver has two primary responsibilities - 1. Filtering toxins out of your body, and 2. Metabolizing carbs (glucose), protein (amino acids), and fat. When your liver is overburdened with toxins, it becomes less efficient with its metabolic responsibilities... it can only do so much.

    When you are dieting, you will experience the greatest results when your liver is able to metabolize your food with optimum efficiency. This can be accomplished be reducing your toxic load. I recommend eliminating all potentially toxic substances from the diet (diet sodapop, coffee, alcohol, chemical additives, artificial sweeteners, etc) in an effort to strengthen the metabolism.

    I will add, however, that if diet sodapop and artifical sweeteners help you avoid cheating there may be some advantage to using them sparingly. But you will definately be better off drinking only water and learning to enjoy things unsweetened. You will be surprised after a while how the taste of foods improve when you eliminate the chemicals from your diet!

     
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    Diet Sodas are a godsend especially for people who would otherwise drink sugary concoctions. Each diet soda saves you about 160 calories over a regular (if there's anything "regular" about a can of sugar water with articicial color and favor.)

    I have ONE can a day with my meal and that one can saves me 17 pounds of weight gain a year! ([160 x 365]/ 3500). People who drink two, three or four do FAR better.

    PepsiONE is my fave...a nice cola bite that the others don't have.

    So Quencher, count me in as someone who thinks there is NO downside to diet sodas.

     
    Old 07-13-2004, 10:03 AM   #5
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    I've heard that drinking soda can cause kidney stones. I knew a 19yr old who had a kidney stone - Dr. told her it was from drinking a lot of soda.

    I used to drink a lot of soda (diet coke) which I LOVE but I think that drinking it prevented me from trying to CURB my sweet tooth the natural way - by cutting other carbs, increasing veggies, water, protein etc.

    I haven't had a soda in weeks and I don't crave anymore.

    Maybe it will help you lose weight, but at what cost to your health?

     
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    Thanks for the repsonses, guys! Hmm. Your repsonses had me thinking... especially the post about all the bad chemicals and toxins and stuff. I certainly DO NOT want those things in my body! Hmm... how about drinking it every two days? Because it really DOES help me to suppress sweets... and I dont want to give diet pop up. It tastes too good...
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    You have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of drinking diet sodapop. Certainly having one diet soda every few days will not harm you. But if your objective is to optimize your metabolism, it is ultimately going to make it harder, not necessarily in ways that are apparant to you.

    Why don't you challenge yourself to try drinking nothing but water for 1 week and see how you feel at the end of the week. Make sure you drink enough of it - at least 64 ounces, but ideally it should be 1/2 your body weight in ounces. If you crave the refreshment of carbonation have some sparkling water or selzer - there are some flavored ones that are great (but avoid the sweetened and artificially sweetened ones - they are just as bad a sodapop).

     
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

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    You have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of drinking diet sodapop. Certainly having one diet soda every few days will not harm you. But if your objective is to optimize your metabolism, it is ultimately going to make it harder, not necessarily in ways that are apparant to you.

    Why don't you challenge yourself to try drinking nothing but water for 1 week and see how you feel at the end of the week. Make sure you drink enough of it - at least 64 ounces, but ideally it should be 1/2 your body weight in ounces. If you crave the refreshment of carbonation have some sparkling water or selzer - there are some flavored ones that are great (but avoid the sweetened and artificially sweetened ones - they are just as bad a sodapop).
    You know what? I will try that...it's not too hard I wouldn't think. But does milk count? I NEED my glass of milk a day, haha.

    Can you perhaps suggest a "Good" flavored sparkling/seltzer water? I'm asking because I'm pretty CERTAIN that I WILL be craving for them sooner or later. Thanks!!!
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    Old 07-14-2004, 03:24 PM   #9
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    Diet soda's contain Aspartame in it. Even though there are no calories, fat or anythin in it to make you gain weight, it is considered a "Sweet Poison".

    Please read below:

    Aspartame Is Dangerous For Everyone
    -----------------------------------

    "I know that the average consumer has a devil-may-care
    something-is-gonna-kill-me attitude... but they don't
    realize that before THIS stuff kills they are going to
    have a miserable declining existence with LOTS of pain
    and other problems (not to mention cancer, tumors, and
    maybe even alzheimer or similar things) before death
    solves the problem."
    - An Aspartame Victim

    Long-Term Damage
    ----------------
    It appears to cause slow, silent damage in those unfortunate enough
    to not have immediate reactions and a reason to avoid it. It may take
    one year, five years, 10 years, or 40 years, but it seems to cause
    some reversible and some irreversible changes in health over long-term
    use.

    Brain Cancer
    ------------
    Aspartame caused large brain tumors in life-long animal experiments
    at a dose that could be considered within the "Acceptable Daily
    Intake" limit after adjusting for differences in metabolism of
    aspartame's breakdown products between humans and rodents.

    Not long after the FDA Commissioner went to work as a consultant
    for the PR firm of the aspartame manufacturer, FDA Investigator
    and Toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross stated the following:

    In view of all these indications that the cancer-
    causing potential of aspartame is a matter that
    had been established way beyond any reasonable
    doubt, one can ask: What is the reason for the
    apparent refusal by the FDA to invoke for this
    food additive the so-called Delaney Amendment to
    the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act? Is it not clear
    beyond any shadow of a doubt that aspartame had
    caused brain tumors or brain cancer in animals,
    and is this not sufficient to satisfy the
    provisions of that particular section of the law?

    Given that this is so (and I cannot see any kind
    of tenable argument opposing the view that
    aspartame causes cancer) how would the FDA justify
    its position that it views a certain amount of
    aspartame (50 mg/mg body-weight) as constituting
    an ADI (Allowable Daily Intake) or "safe" level of
    it? Is that position in effect not equivalent to
    setting a "tolerance" for this food additive and
    thus a violation of that law? And if the FDA
    itself elects to violate the law, who is left to
    protect the health of the public?


    Uterine Polyps
    --------------
    Pre-approval experiments showed that an aspartame breakdown product
    caused uterine polyps in experimental animals.

    Not long after the FDA Commissioner went to work as a consultant for
    the PR firm of the aspartame manufacturer, FDA Investigator, Dr.
    Jacqueline Verrett stated the following:

    "This (DKP) is the famous study with the uterine
    polyps, and it is also the study in which there
    were changes in serum cholesterol, significant
    changes over the dose range.

    "Now, we still are not sure exactly how much of
    DKP each group of animals or any individual animal
    got; they may not have gotten what would be
    calculated on the basis of daily consumption had
    the diet been homogeneous.

    "The fact is, in spite of that, there were
    significant increases--and I think everybody
    agrees with that--of uterine polyps and also
    changes in blood cholesterol.

    "When that was then taken into consideration, they
    said, oh, well, obviously, they must have gotten
    the diet, because we have these changes. But then
    they disregarded the changes as being significant-
    -you know, uterine polyps were not pre-
    carcinogenic. Well, I can rustle up 15 million
    women by this afternoon who will disagree with
    that."


    Other Hazards
    -------------
    The following is a selection of other hazards from long-term use of
    aspartame. Once these effects are seen clinically, the internal
    damage has often been done. Removing aspartame from the diet may
    clear up some of the symptoms but the damage from the breakdown
    products such as methanol may be permanent.

    Seizures and convulsions, arthritic and joint pain, chronic fatigue,
    depression, memory loss, vision damage and loss, tingling in the
    extremities, slurring of speech, irritability, severe anxiety
    attacks, menstrual problems, blood sugar control problems, symptoms
    similar to multiple sclerosis, worsening of fibromyalgia, parkinson's
    tremors, etc., etc.


    Internet PR
    -----------
    It appears that the PR firms for the chemical company "selling"
    aspartame (i.e., slowing poisoning people), Monsanto Chemical Company
    are desparate to rescue their junky product despite the growing
    evidence of its dangers. On the Internet, there are many nonsensical
    and scientifically indefensible posts by persons who are only
    interested in confusing the issue and creating havoc.

    For example, one person recently claimed that orange juice releases
    400 times more methanol than aspartame upon ingestion. The
    scientific facts are that aspartame has much more methanol than
    orange juice. (Many store-bought orange juices have 10-30 times less
    methanol.) In addition, the methanol from aspartame is converted to
    the extremely toxic formaldehyde and formic acid in the body, while
    protective factors in the orange juice may prevent this conversion to
    formaldehyde and formic acid. An avid aspartame consumer will be
    getting the equivalent amount of methanol as a person working
    part-time and inhaling methanol fumes in a methanol-laden chemical
    plant. Other aspartame breakdown products may potentiate the
    methanol/formaldehyde toxicity.

    Another standard PR technique is the following:

    1. Hire people to join Internet groups and become a "regular"
    poster. At least one report of recruitment has been published
    recently. Such a recruited individual can have almost any email
    address from a company name to a university email address.

    2. When honest, legitimate concerns about a toxic product are
    posted, respond with a large number of angry, "knee-jerk"
    responses attempting to paint the persons posting as "radicals"
    when they are simply one of many, many concerned citizens.
    These large numbers of postings will flood the group(s) and get
    the legitimate participants angry.

    3. There may be many postings about people who have had "no
    problems" with the toxic product even though, in the case of
    aspartame it has been on the market and used in significant amounts
    for such a short period of time. There may be postings trying
    to claim that their freedoms are being taken away even though
    by allowing the sale such a toxic product when there are many
    healthier alternatives, the FDA is clearly violating their own
    safety statutes. Most of these posts are probably legitimate,
    but there is not way to know for certain.

    4. Some people and possibly some PR persons will post
    demanding that the "concerned citizens" (although they will not
    use that term) stop posting to the group. The reality almost
    always is that there were relatively few posts by concerned
    citizens and endless "knee-jerk" posts.

    5. Finally, please be aware that posts from the International Food
    Information Council (IFIC), the PR organization for junk food
    companies (in the guise of an independent "nutrition" organization)
    and the American Dietetic Association (which received $75,000 from
    Monsanto and an offer to help write their "fact" sheets) often put
    inaccurate PR on the Internet.

    This is simply a modification for the Internet of very common unethical
    PR techniques that are sometimes applied by companies trying to
    rescue the image of a toxic product like aspartame. A new, extremely
    well-researched and well-documented book about these techniques (and
    a "must-read") is:

    Toxic Sludge is Good For You! (Lies, Damn Lies and the
    Public Relations Industry)
    by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton
    Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine (USA), c1995
    ISBN 1-56751-061-2 or ISBN 1-56751-060-4 (pbk.)

    This book will help you understand what tricks to expect from
    Monsanto as scientists and the general population recognizes the
    dangers of aspartame. It is a real eye-opener and I highly
    recommend it.

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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    hey i have diet soda all the time and yes there is chemicals in it that are bad like aspartime, caffine...which takes the calcuim out of our bones...
    i love diet soda especially diet pepsi but due to the lack of calcium i have resorted to 100% juices and clear diet pops...yes there is some sugar in the juices but there are also many essential vitamins involved too.

     
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

    Soda of any type can cause stains on your teeth and if you drink too much of it, it can cause more tooth problems. But as for weight, I am not sure.

     
    Old 07-15-2004, 05:09 PM   #12
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    No need to add to the very good post on the problems associated w/ Nutrasweet and other AS.....well covered already.

    One thing that any AS does, even the beloved stevia, is to raise blood insulin levels. Insulin makes you hungry. That's one of its main functions.....to get you to eat so the blood insulin level will go down. Insulin contributes to fat storage. That's its other function. If you're not working enough to use food up right away, insulin makes sure it gets stored as fat.

    Your body doesn't know the diff between sugar and AS. If it tastes sweet, ya must need more insulin, and more insulin is what you get.

    Many sodas also have phosphoric acid in them. This pulls calcium right outta your bones.

    Try the water challenge. A week of pure water will actually give your taste buds a chance to return to normal and to relish this natural "pause that refreshes" LOL

     
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    You know what? I will try that...it's not too hard I wouldn't think. But does milk count? I NEED my glass of milk a day, haha.

    Can you perhaps suggest a "Good" flavored sparkling/seltzer water? I'm asking because I'm pretty CERTAIN that I WILL be craving for them sooner or later. Thanks!!!
    I suppose you can drink milk, but it does NOT count towards your water ounces... sorry

    As for good flavored seltzers... I supposed it depends on where you live. The brands I have here are Poland Springs, Polar, and Adirondak... any of these brands have lime, raspberry lime, lemon, mandarin orange, and of course just plain. There is NO sugar or sweetener - just the natural flavoring to give it a mild pleasant taste. The carbonation makes these VERY refreshing in the summer.

    Plain water tastes sweet to me now... I have a water filtration system in my home because it ended up being cheaper than buying it (because I drink so much). I prefer to drink my water at room temp - but I don't recommend that you do that with tap water!

     
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

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    I suppose you can drink milk, but it does NOT count towards your water ounces... sorry

    As for good flavored seltzers... I supposed it depends on where you live. The brands I have here are Poland Springs, Polar, and Adirondak... any of these brands have lime, raspberry lime, lemon, mandarin orange, and of course just plain. There is NO sugar or sweetener - just the natural flavoring to give it a mild pleasant taste. The carbonation makes these VERY refreshing in the summer.

    Plain water tastes sweet to me now... I have a water filtration system in my home because it ended up being cheaper than buying it (because I drink so much). I prefer to drink my water at room temp - but I don't recommend that you do that with tap water!
    How would you know whether if there are any artificial flavorings or not? What are the ingredients to look out for? How do you know when something uses "natural flavoring?"

    Thanks.
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    Re: Diet Sodas- So, What's The Catch?

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    How would you know whether if there are any artificial flavorings or not? What are the ingredients to look out for? How do you know when something uses "natural flavoring?"

    Thanks.
    The ingredients should be a VERY short list: carbonated water, natural flavor. That's it! Anything you cannot pronounce, avoid!

     
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