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    Old 03-27-2001, 04:34 PM   #1
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    Hazards of Low-Carb Diets

    Hi all,

    I work in a hospital, and this month is "Nutrition Month". So each week there has been different hand outs and pamplets on different health issues. Like last week was calcium and this week is Low-Carb (High Protein) diets. I'm not going to type the whole handout here...but I will give you the top ten reasons that these fad diets are bad for your health. The actual article title is:

    Countdown: Hazards of Low-Carb Diets

    10. KETO BREATH. (bad breath from being on this diet...they say it is a cross between nail polish remover and over-ripe pineapple...nice!)

    9. FAINTING.

    8. OSTEOPOROSIS

    7. GOUT

    6. KIDNEY STONES.

    5. RISING BLOOD PRESSURE WITH AGE IS LIKELY.

    4. REDUCED ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE.

    3. POOR LONG TERM WEIGHT CONTROL.

    2. CANCER RISK INCREASES.

    1. HEART DISEASE RISK INCREASES.

    It says at the bottom of this paper that the information is by Dr. James J. Kenney, PhD, RD, FACN, Nutrition Research Specialist for the Pritikin Longevity Center. Certified as a Specialist in Human Nutrition by the American Board of Nutrition.

    I've got tons more I could share, but that seems to be the highlights.

    God Bless!

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    Old 03-27-2001, 07:01 PM   #2
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    Re: Hazards of Low-Carb Diets

    I agree with pqlier.

    Most people fear what they don't understand, and most people don't have a real good handle on the low carb diets. Most folks just take the opinions presented by the so called "experts" as gospel without questioning the validity or basis of the opinions.

    The low carb diet just ain't politically correct and will probably never gain widespread acceptance. That is really fine with me because it would just drive the price of meat and other sources of animal protein up. Well, I guess if it does, then I will just have to raise my own beef and spend more time hunting and fishing. But I hate to see people struggeling with weight and health issues when the answer is so simple as adopting a diet based on whole natural foods and avoiding those that are manufactured or highly processed, i.e. the low carb diet as recommended by Dr. Atkins and Drs. Eades.

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    Old 03-27-2001, 07:12 PM   #3
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    Hi Pqlier,

    Yes, this pamplet is talking about the Atkins diet, specifically because it is talking about ketosis diets, which, from what I've read, the Atkin's diet is just that. (I just re-read that on his website to be sure.) It also has a list of the fad diets entitled:

    "Popular Fad Diet Books that Promote High-Protein Ketogenic Diets"

    Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution by Robert C. Atkins, MD

    Protein Power by Michael, Md. Eades, Michael R. Eades, Mary Dan Eades

    One paragragh in this pamplet in particular is quite alarming...as it states:

    There are often under reported dangers to fad diets. ONe danger with the ketogenic diet is Orthostatic Hypotensio. It causes the excessive loss of fluid and electrolytes that always occur on a ketogenic diet coupled with a decrease in sympathetic nervous system activity. OH can cause dizziness and fainting when people stand up quickly or are exposed to a sudden change in gravatational or centrifugal forces. Another potential problem is gout. This can occur because Ketogenic diets often cause a significant rise in blood uric acid levels. Increased loss of calcium in the urine due to excess protein intake coupled with inadequate calcium and other nutrients can accelerate bone loss. High levels of animal protein in the diet increases the risk of forming kidney stones.

    Phew! Well, I'm not a doctor, but this doesn't sound healthy at first blush, and now after reading this, it STILL scares me and it sounds like Atkins is laughing all the way to the bank.

    God Bless!

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    Old 03-28-2001, 03:44 AM   #4
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    Hi Di.

    Fluid loss is a common side effect of ANY weight loss diet; most of the weight lost in the first week or two on ANY weight loss program is fluid.

    If your nervous system is accustomed to running on glucose and you suddenly cut over to a diet that has it running on ketones, I can see how that would decrease its activity for a while; but it seems to me that it should adapt in fairly short order.

    It also seems to me that anybody actually experiencing low fluid and electrolyte loss symptoms - for WHATEVER reason - should be able to fix them up REALLY easily by drinking more water and increasing sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium intake for a while. I can't see why this is a big deal.

    It also seems to me that if your water intake's adequate (as Atkins recommends, along with just about everybody else), nitrogen byproducts from protein metabolism should never build up beyond what your kidneys can comfortably get rid of.

    From the Atkins website, on kidney stones:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Q. Doesn't all the protein consumed on the Atkins Diet cause kidney problems?

    A. No study has ever shown that people with normal kidney function exhibit any kidney problems on a high protein diet. This theory was extrapolated from patients with kidney dysfunction. My opinion: The experience of someone on dialysis does not compare in any way to the rest of the population. More importantly, in the thousands of Atkins Center patients on The Atkins Diet, practitioners have never seen this occur.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I've never heard any of my low-carb correspondents complain about it either, for what that's worth.

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Q. Are there any medical conditions that can interfere with a person's ability to be on the diet?

    A. 1) Far advanced kidney disease, gout, urate kidney stones, or unmanageable constipation or allergy to the primary foods on the diet, such as meat, cheese, etc. 2) The absence of digestive enzymes needed to digest fat and protein make the diet difficult to handle-but this can usually be corrected. 3) Underweight or normal weight people should not use the induction phase of the diet, but rather a modified version, which we have adapted. Please read chapter on On Going Weight Loss (OWL) or Maintenance in New Diet Revolution. 4) Known previous bad reactions (idiosyncratic) to the diet.

    Q. Can patients with high uric acid (gout) be put on the diet? If so, how is the diet adjusted and will gout medication need to be changed?

    A. Gout can be aggravated by the diet. It usually requires slowing the weight loss down to less than 2 lbs. per week and taking 300 mg of allopurinol (a prescription drug). If uric acid stays down, allopurinol may be tapered down and stopped after 1 month under a physician’s care.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Which sounds to me like if you haven't already GOT gout, you'd have no problems.

    On calcium and bone loss:

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Q. Doesn't the Atkins diet increase the risk of osteoporosis? It's been said that high protein diets cause a loss of calcium in the urine.

    A. In the actual research studies conducted on this subject, calcium loss lasted only two weeks. The body then re-adjusts itself (returns to a regular state of homeostasis) and the calcium loss stops (American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1983 Jun; 37(6):924-929).
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    On another thread, I told LifeLine that I had no interest in starting a ******* contest, and I still don't; I'm NOT an ideological low-carb booster. But the more I read about the supposed evils of low-carb eating, the more I notice the following pattern:

    The low-carb boosters say, when we eat this way we see such-and-such positive results, we don't see such-and-such often-predicted negative results, and we lose weight easily and keep it off. Low-carbers also tend to provide references to studies that support what they're doing.

    The low-carb naysayers tend NOT to quote specific studies; they generally say things like "there's a lot of good science supporting our position" without ever bothering to tell us where that good science is to be found. They tend to resort to personal attacks on the motives of low-carb boosters. And when they DO quote studies and I go follow them up, the studies are often not relevant to the target population for low-carb eating (obese but otherwise healthy people).

    One of the things that I *do* find somewhat annoying is the oft-repeated claim that low-carb is all very well for rapid weight loss but going off it will put all the weight back on and then some.

    In fact, going off ANY rapid weight-loss program will make you stack weight back on with interest. So the lesson here seems not to be that low-carb in particular is a Bad Thing, but that rapid weight loss is best avoided, and that the way you eat to lose weight slowly is the way you should KEEP eating for the rest of your life.

    Personally, I can't think of any way I'd be LESS likely to be comfortable sticking with for life than a low-fat plan, and that's not just my opinion. Judging by the stories I've read, MOST people who go the low-calorie, low-fat road end up doing the yoyo.

    If Atkins is to be believed on this point (and judging from the stories I've heard from committed low-carb dieters, he is), his maintenance diet IS easier to stick with in the long term than a low-fat, limited-calorie plan.

    And I *do* find it kind of weird that something called the American Heart Association can give the big tick to sugary breakfast cereals while raising FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about the dangers of a diet based squarely on whole foods.

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 05:50 AM   #5
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    Hi,

    Well, personally, I will believe the majority of health professionals. And that majority says that Atkins diet is dangerous. You said your self that the Heart Association doesn't support it.

    Dr. Atkins is definately in the minority here, and there is a good reason for that. I'll stick with the doctors that aren't making money hand over fist.

    Bless You!

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    Old 03-28-2001, 10:14 AM   #6
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    The fact that you work in a hospital says it all. The people with the most entrenched beliefs are the last to change their minds. I don't see how anyone with an OPEN mind could read all these posts and links on low-carbs and not, at the very least, question their possible validity.
    The medical 'establishment' has been wrong before and will be found to be wrong again. There was a time when frontal lobotomies were the standard answer to severe mental illness. No more. A time when baby 'formula' was seen as preferable and superior to mothers milk but it is now accepted that breastfeeding is superior in its immume giving characteristics. A time when it was routine to remove childrens tonsils. No more as they are also a valuable part of a persons immune system and best left intact. A time when the "experts" said butter was bad and margerine was good. No more. Get the point? Nothing is set in stone.

    As far as Doctors getting rich who is it who's benefiting financially from all the obesity induced illnesses? The joint problems, diabetes, heart disease etc. Yeah, your friendly, caring close-minded doctor. What's the average salary for a heart surgeon? About $500,000/year. I'm sure all these millionaires are quite happy with the status quo.

    Change will come (and is coming) from the ground up, not the top down. We'll see what the recommended diet is 20 years from now.

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 02:41 PM   #7
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    tup,

    Wow...you sound jaded. So you really think that all doctors and surgeons and other health care professionals are GLAD that people are fat and sick and hurting? That they are in it only for the money? Man, I wouldn't want to live in that type of world. Most doctors I've met are caring individuals that went to school for years to help people. Yes, they make a good wage, and they should, considering the amount of time that they have to study to become a doctor. But if you truly think they are all happy that people are fat and hurting, that's your right.

    God Bless.

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    Old 03-28-2001, 05:00 PM   #8
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    No, just realistic and glad I have the intelligence to think for myself and not blindly follow the herd, the "experts" and to be curious and open-minded enough to look at what everyone is saying on any particular subject that interests me.

    I'm sure the vast majority of Doctors are caring individuals but there's no excuse for their unwillingness to examine new ideas. It's the people who eventually get hurt by outmoded ideas. Did you read all of my previous post? Tens of thousands of children had their tonsils removed UNNECESSARILY back in the 50's and 60's. Childrens pain and Doctors profit. Back then they cared too but they were wrong! So what good is all the caring in the world if what they are doing or advising is wrong?

    You brought up the point of Doctors making money "hand over fist". Yes they certainly do. Not just Atkins, dear.(see above post)

    I see people getting fatter and fatter. Even many kids who should be in perfect health are turning into fat waddlers. Some are developing Type II diabetes which is directly due to their wrong eating habits.

    Time for some new thinking, I'd say.

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 05:46 PM   #9
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    I tried the "Zone" diet (another low carb, hi protien diet) for 4 months
    last year. I didnt loose an ounce, in fact, I gained 5 pounds. We were absolutely anal about portions, so we know that wasn't the problem. The only help the so called support team could give me was that maybe I needed to cut down my "blocks", and that the diet didn't work for everyone...DUH!
    I felt like crap, got constipated, had no energy, and had no results. In the final analysis, these are still low cal diets no matter what else they may be diguised as, and are still hard to follow for a long term.
    I think the main thing to remember is that all these guys are out to sell a book! Lecture over!

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 07:08 PM   #10
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    Di, that cracks me up! You are not to be trusted because you "work in a hospital" *LOL*.

    They're all out to get us Di, the Men In Black will soon be here to carry us away!

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 09:54 PM   #11
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    Personally I am a BIG Xfiles fan...in fact it's about the only show I watch on TV some weeks...but THIS line of thinking is getting too weird. Maybe Chris Carter (Xfiles creator) is writing these posts????? LOL!

    God Bless!

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    Old 03-28-2001, 09:56 PM   #12
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    Re: Hazards of Low-Carb Diets

    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tundra:
    <B>I tried the "Zone" diet (another low carb, hi protien diet) for 4 months
    last year.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The "Zone" diet is not low carb. It is lower than the standard American diet and lower than USDA guidelines, but it is far from low carb at 40% of calories (thats 200 grams of carbohydrate per day on a 2000 calorie per day diet).

    The main benefits of truely low carb diets really kick in when you give up most or all sugar and starches (soft drinks, fruit juices, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, etc.). If you don't eat any of this very high carbohydrate stuff and are sticking to the nutrient rich vegetables, it's hard to eat much over 50-100 grams of carbohydrates per day.

    Hey Tundra, why did you pick that username? Do you drive a Toyota Tundra? The reason I ask is that I do. Love it.

    Alan<p>[This message has been edited by arkie6 (edited 03-28-2001).]

     
    Old 03-28-2001, 11:07 PM   #13
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    Quote: Originally posted by Tup "I see people getting fatter and fatter. Even many kids who should be in perfect health are turning into fat waddlers. Some are developing Type II diabetes which is directly due to their wrong eating habits."

    People and especially children are not getting fatter and fatter due to the amount of carbohydrates in their diet, or because the don't follow Dr Atkins. They are getting fatter because of our increasingly sedentary lifestyle. We move from sitting position to sitting position. The bed, the car, the office chair, the car, the lounge, the home computer, the bed. And we are not eating properly. There is far too much junk food readily available in today's civilised world. It is too easy to drive through McDonalds on the way home than it is to cook a nutritious and balanced meal. It is easier to sit in front of the TV or the computer than it is to take your dog for a walk. Overweight children are teased and discouraged from participating in sport (I was) so they will never get a chance to start an active lifestyle. Carb or lo-carb it's your choice, but you should keep an open mind to other options, and the possibility that a balanced diet (that includes carbs) and a moderate level of activity just may be what's keeping fit people fit!
    Carbohydrates, like anything, are best eaten in moderation with a balanced diet.

     
    Old 03-29-2001, 08:03 AM   #14
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    Alan-
    To answer your question, the name tundra is actually a form of an unfortunate nickname given to me in school. I was a "chubby" kid, so they called me TONdra. When I first joined the board, it wouldn't let me use my real name, or my email name, so I settled on that. Looses some of it's charm once you know the rest of the story, doesn't it?

     
    Old 03-29-2001, 02:01 PM   #15
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    Yes, it must have been the 'men in black' disguised as doctors performing the lobotomies back in the 40's and 50's. LOL

     
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