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    Old 01-06-2001, 10:40 PM   #1
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    Recurrent bacterial vaginosis...HELP!

    I can't get rid of this infection. I swear I've had the same infection for the past year or so. Anyway, I got vaginitis when I first started having sex. I've been with the same guy the entire time. We even use condoms and I take Orthotricyclen. The first time after two treatments it cleared up. I should mention that we stopped using condoms then. Things were fine for several months. Then I got a UTI, so I was on antibiotics and we were using condoms during that time. Then I got another infection. I was treated for it with the metrogel and I moved away. Then it came back. I hadn't been with my boyfriend because of the long distance. My doctor put me on Flagyl. I still had symptoms. She tested me for STD's too and I was negative. So she continued treatment with Clyndimiacin. That was not a pleasant experience. I came back for a recheck, symptoms were gone, but there still some trace clue cells. She put me back on the Clyndimiacin at my request and her advice. Then I went home for the holidays and had been done with the second round by then and was fine. My boyfriend came to visit and we used protection of course because I didn't want to be passing anything back and forth. Now I have a UTI and the symptoms are back in full force. I don't know what else to do. I take accidopholus/biffidus, blue-green algae, vitamin B, and I'm on the pill. I even use organic cotton tampons now in case that's causing problems too. Maybe it's the panty liners, I don't know. I wash myself properly too. Whatelse can I do? Is there no end to this? Will I forever going to the doctor's office twice a month getting a speculum stuck in me everything? Sorry to be so crass there. Any help is appreciated. Thanks for listening.

     
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    Old 01-07-2001, 01:07 AM   #2
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    Re: Recurrent bacterial vaginosis...HELP!

    Hey Skip,

    Look down to the post (Alazay) I posted two websites that have quite a bit of info.
    The more you know about anything that ails you the better off you are. I hope you find some clue or some way to narrow it down.
    You might consider getting a second opinion, you won't hurt your doc's feelings and it might get you some answers or even healthy.
    Don't give up, I know trying to keep a positive attitude when sick (mentally or physically) is difficult, but try to anyway.
    Peace.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 01:19 AM   #3
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    Geez...sorry to hear about your recurrent problems. I so know exactly where you are coming from! I have been having the same types of issues off and on for a year, and I have been a familiar face at my gyn's office for most of that time. It gets frustrating.

    What you are saying has me mostly stumped, and I'm definitely not a pro by any stretch of the imagination. Since bacterial vaginosis is such a mystery it's really hard to find good answers out there. My first response was to tell you to take acidophillus and the other herbal supplements you mentioned, which you are doing. The only two things I can suggest which might be causing the problem to keep recurring would be an allergy to latex condoms/spermicide (if you use spermicide), or possibly it's a reaction to the pill. Since it happens after you have protected sex, (and since doctors seem to have no clue the correlation between BV and intercourse) it could be that. Have you asked your gyn if the pill or an allergy could be a cause?

    What symptoms do you have now? (If that's not too personal.) Since vaginosis has a variety of different symptoms and symptoms that are different than trichnomonaisis and yeast, I just wanted to check. Also, sometimes BV can appear like yeast does when you are on antibiotics and the balance of good bacteria vs. bad gets all out of whack in your uterus.

    As for the UTI, well...obviously see the gyn. But some home remedies that you can use are corn silk extract, and drinking lots of cranberry juice and water. That will alleviate the pain at any rate, and speed up the recovery. And of course you know how to prevent them (as best you can anyway, we all get them occasionally no matter how safe we are!). Wipe from front to back, pee before and after intercourse, drink at least 8 10 ounce glasses of water a day, drink a glass of cranberry juice a day, blah blah blah.

    Let me know...I'll try my best to answer <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> It sucks to have to keep trudging back to the doc all the time.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 05:18 AM   #4
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    hi, here is the information I have. Actually the acidophilus helps to clear up a yeast type infection and not the bacterial type. So if the acidophilus is not working this is why.
    For bacteriosis vaginosis try 1000mg of Echinacea 4 times daily or 1/2 teaspoon echinacea tincture or tinctract.
    You can also make a douch out of it and use for seven days.(its one ounce echinacea to 2 cups boiling water steep for 10 hours. use 3 tablespoons of infusion to 1 quart of water. use daily for 7 days. ******* please check this out with an herbalist or doctor first***** always check out info in more than one place. (This information came out of The naturally healthy pregnancy by Shonda Parker)

    Also your partner needs to be treated. Even if you have used protection you can spread this from your or his hands.

    also....
    wear cotton underpants
    eat less white sugar
    eat plain live culture yogurt every day.
    eat plenty of garlic.
    hope something here helped you.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 08:05 AM   #5
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    Re: Recurrent bacterial vaginosis...HELP!

    Funny it should be mentioned that latex could be causing me problems. I eliminated that too. I am allergic to latex and use nonlatex/nonspermicidal condoms.

    Right now I am in pain because of the UTI and being that it's sunday I can't go see the doctor, but I wish they had an urgent care clinic. I have really bad health insurance who are picky about where I go, so I have to wait until monday. (I went to an urgent care clinic around here a little while ago and they turned my away because of my health insurance coverage. Does that make sense?) I hate insurance companies. Anyway.....

    As far as the symptoms I'm experiencing are, itching, yellowish discharge, and a musty odor. But even with a trich infection, I know that is treated with metrogel or flagyl. That didn't work on the vaginosis obviously. Hmmm...I've never douched before in my life, but I guess I could try the suggested concoction.

    Anyway, I'm going to see the doctor on Monday. She's not a gyn, but she said that she was going to talk one to see if there is anything else we can do if the symptoms return.

    Thanks for the suggestions and help. I appreicate it.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 02:04 PM   #6
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    Bacterial vaginosis has a fishy odour....so it doesn't sound like what you have!!
    A white to yellow discharge is perfectly normal, all women have this. A vagina should smell musty, no womans vagina is odour free, we all have some kind of smell, some womens being stronger than others.
    As for the itching, it is probably an allergy, maybe to your detergant or it could even be to just the soap you use to wash yourself down there, as the genitals are very sensitive.
    You don't need to use ANY kind of soap on your vaginal area at all, plain water is perfectly ample, as long as you wash daily.
    I think you should try washing your underwear in plain soap, rinse it well, and only use water on your vagina.
    I hope this helps a bit, but please remember that a vagina does smell, and a discharge is needed to clean and lubricate it. It's all quite normal.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 03:33 PM   #7
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    Re: Recurrent bacterial vaginosis...HELP!

    I should clarify myself. It's not the odor I'm used to having (kind of a slight sweaty smell is what it is normally, I don't know how else to describe it. Sorry to be gross.) I know that there is some odor present, but it's not what I usually have. The discharge is of darker color than normal. And according to other sources I looked up the odor of a bacterial infection is fishy or musty. If it's yeast, than it smells like bread or beer. Let's just say it's boardering on fishy now.

    Anyway, thanks for the input everyone. I appreciate it. If anything it calmed my worries and it's good to know I'm not the only one. I'll find out tomorrow what's going on. Atleast I'll be able to get rid of the UTI.

     
    Old 01-07-2001, 11:58 PM   #8
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    One question to ask. Do you douche at all? Douching is something that should not be done without a direct doctors order since it tends to alter the vagina's PH and can set you up for all kinds of infections and problems. I know many women are going to give me flack on this one saying they douche and things are fine but as I nurse I know that they have just been lucky and most doctors you talk to will tell you that douching is unecessisary unless it is used to treat a medical condition.

     
    Old 01-08-2001, 05:50 AM   #9
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    Nope, I don't douche. I didn't even know what it was until a couple years ago (very sheltered life). I don't really care to do something that isn't natural for you body. But thanks for telling me.

     
    Old 01-09-2001, 09:42 PM   #10
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    Re: Recurrent bacterial vaginosis...HELP!

    It turns out that all I have is a UTI. The bacterial vaginosis did clear up. I just hope that I won't have another recurrence. I just want to thank everyone for the suggestions. They were very helpful. If anything it calmed my fears and made me realise that I'm not the only one who gets them. I apologize if I came of sounding rude in some of my posts. I felt like I was in some of them. I hope I did not offend anybody. Thanks for listening to me and bearing with me. I really do appreciate it. Take care!

     
    Old 02-02-2001, 07:40 PM   #11
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    I also want you to know that one way to protect yourself from reoccurant UTI's is to urinate each and every time after having intercourse and then squat in the tub and splash some plain water on the external vulva to wash away things. It can be a nuisance to be drying your legs after intercourse, but better than suffering. I have dealt with every malady you can think of when it comes to vaginas. To beat it all, I have been diagnosed with a semen allergy and on top of it have a VERY sensitive vagina. I have yeast breakouts just about monthly. I am waiting on a research medical clinic to get on with the desensitization. It is a very rare allergy and thus a very rare treatment. Hope you are better!

    If anyone knows for SURE the name and location of a doctor who does the procedure, please email me right away as my clinic has been working on it over a year....

     
    Old 02-02-2001, 07:54 PM   #12
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    I should add an addemdum to that previous post that I did test positive for BV a couple days later and then a yeast infection on top of that that I diagnosed myself while treating myself with the metrogel. I've been referred to the gynecologist because I've been going to a P.A. who said she'd refer if I had it again.

    I don't have problems with recurrent UTI's, but it's the bacterial vaginosis that I keep getting or can't get rid of. I still have it unfortunately. I had to cancel my appointment with the gyn a couple weeks ago because I started my period, but couldn't get in until 2 weeks later. It sucks. I want it to go away. One things for sure, I don't douch (never have, never will), I wear cotton underwear, and wash with plain water. I'm just annoyed because I've had to wait so long to see this gynecologist. Atleast I'll go in on Monday. I don't think I have a semen allergy because we use condoms (nonlatex of course cuz I'm allergic to latex).

    But thank you for the helpful tip <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif">. I will remember to do that next time so I can avoid a UTI. I hope that you find that allergy doctor. I bet there are more women out there who suffer with a semen allergy and not even really realize it. I'm glad that it's beginning to come to the forefront now. Take care!

     
    Old 02-03-2001, 09:16 AM   #13
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    There can certainly be many things causing these problems for you. I know exactly how you feel, trust me. I just want to be normal too.

    I have done tons of research and reading on many different topics. These are some things that could be causing problems: you may be allergic to either sugar or white flour, hormone inbalances, ph level is too basic, on and on. Have you done a search on the internet for the different problems you have?

    You know, I did want to say that I noticed you take the acidophilus. You know when you take it orally, it goes to the gut and then bowels. It somehow has to make its way to the vagina!!!!!!!! What I am saying is that you can insert the actual pill into the vagina seeing as though that is the environment you want to fix! It does no harm and melts down with the natural lubrication of the vagina. So maybe you can try both ways. I have seen where it says put that up in the p.m. each night. You can do a lot with acidophilus. But, just don't expect it to crawl to the vagina!!!

     
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    Someone rated my topic....weird...people grading my topic <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> *L*.

    Anyway, I didn't even think about the acidophilus(sp?) not getting to the vagina when taken orally. It would make sense to insert directly into the vagina. I will try it for a few days and see what happens, but I'm going to wait until after I see my doctor and talk to him. If anything, it's helped my lower digestive tract problems so it is good for that as well.

     
    Old 02-04-2001, 10:44 AM   #15
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    Hey Skip,

    Since your posts are so very related to my own situation, I have been reading and following them over and over. One thing I notice is that you are back and forth between what you are using and taking and therefore, there is no way you would be able to narrow down what is causing what.

    I am confused about what you are using NOW??? Are you on the pill or using condomns or both? You say you use non-latex so that should be fine, but the pill itself can cause the yeast. Then you say you have the BV, but a UTI comes after intercourse. All these can be interelated with each due to the meds. If you take the antibiotic for one thing, it can automatically cause the yeast with it. One infection is bad enough, but two on top of each other are horrible! I know, I know.....

    First of all, I would go OFF the pill, stop having intercourse, and clear everything up so you can get off the meds all together. I know you say your boyfriend is long distance, but even if he comes in, I would tell him he will just have to understand until you can figure out the source of the problem. (If he doesn't understand, he needs to hit the road anyway!) Once you are off everything and have been clear I'd say for atleast 3 cycles (if you can't make it 3 clear cycles then you must have a food allergy, I'd suspect), then try having intercourse once with the condomns you use. You may even have him withdraw too if you are very worried about pregnancy. I have already told you how to keep the UTI's away and I KNOW it works for sure. You must urinate after even if it is only a little tinkle. You just must. So, after the one dose of intercourse, and make it a good one, sit and wait a whole cycle. Did anything happen? If nothing happened, try intercourse the same way a couple of times, using the same methods and again wait. If no infections, then it is not the condomns or any other method you used. Then, add one thing at a time. If it is the pill you really want to be on, then go back on. But only add one thing at a time. Even though you go back on the pill, still use the condomn so as not to upset the little home study you are doing. I suspect your problem is either the pill or the antibiotics for one infection causing the other. When you do see the gyn, discuss changing your pill. It may be throwing your hormones out of wack. If you absolutely have to use a pill to get rid of yeast, I recommend the Diflucan as it will kick it out just like that, BUT it is hard on the liver and should not be used regularly. That's why I have tried to go natural.

    I noticed you wrote another topic about the itching on another board. I have the SAME problem. Even when I don't have an infection, I always seem to have an itch. I think a lot of mine is the sugar allergy I have which has been diagnosed. I just haven't been able to change my diet completely yet. I have got to find some good cookbooks. I know it is gross, but I don't have any bugs, or anything else down there causing the itch as it has been checked. That's why I think it is the allergy. If a person is sensitive to something, it will come out and show itself somewhere and mine is the vagina! God help me! I also go to the gyn end of this month for my yearly and will discuss my yeast which I have had now 5 months in a row. I will get a refill on my pill, but I am not gonna start right back up to see if they clear up. If they clear up, then I am gonna change pills. Anyway, back to the itch. I have found some natural remedies to be aloe juice or slippery elm powder mixed as a paste with water put on the external vulva. Sometimes I use just a little Mycelex on the outside vulva. I have also used hydrocortizone creme (plain). Watch the labels. The Gold Bond is HOT as HELL since it has menthol, but after a couple times, I got used to it and now I acutally prefer it. It knocks the itch out for several hours. You got to use tiny, tiny bit and work up though. I mean it is HOT at first. Use extreme caution at first if you try it and make sure it is only external. I take acidophilus by mouth and insert at night. I also freeze plain yogurt into the fingers of non latex rubber gloves and insert on nights when I seem to be real irritated as the cooling effect feels great. You can sit in a bath with Tea Tree Oil or you can even put several drips of the oil on a tampon and insert morning, mid-day, and bedtime. By the way, there are books on the Tea Tree Oil. If you are into the natural, it has LOTS of uses for the whole body. I LOVE it! If you think it is an allergy related issue, you can take orally the amino acid called L-Methionine which is supposed to lower the amount of histimine in the body thus lowering the allergic reaction. You can take cranberry pills orally (more for UTI). You can mix a tablespoon of Potassium Sorbate with 1 cup water, dip a tampon in and insert. There are MANY kinds of douches, but I know you are against those. I have not tried all of these yet, but am on the way. These have all come off the internet or through my own trials in search for some sanity!

    Good luck, Keep in touch

     
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