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I second ratboy here, Get of it.

How people can recommend Zoloft and then be concerned about herbs is beyond me. If drugs where judged as harshly as herbs, even your common aspirin would be banned.

Here are some of the side effects from the Zoloft premarketing clinical studies.

Ejaculation Failure 14% placebo 1%
Anorexia 6% placebo 2%
Diarrhea 20% placebo 10%
Insomnia 21% placebo 11%
fever, hyperkinesia, urinary incontinence, aggressive reaction, sinusitis, epistaxis and purpura at least twice as in the placebo group.

The list goes on, and gets much longer with reported side effects since its release.
I’m not advocating that drugs don’t have there uses. I also will see my traditional doctor for something’s. And shore some herbs may have some side effects, but nothing compared to Zoloft. I have never heard of a herb that causes suicide. Zoloft does according to FDA 1 out 50 under 18 years or younger become suicidal. There must also be some in-between the no adverse reactions and suicide cases, who get mental issues from this drug.

If you choose to believe the many cases of violence and murder caused by users of Zoloft, Prozac and the like or not it is certainly in my book cause for concern. Just try a read the warnings given to healthcare professionals and what they should look out for it patients, its scary reading.

As Kava Kava has been mentioned in this thread, can it cause side effects? Yes. Where it is used traditionally they don’t suffer from liver problems. In the US and Europe there have been liver damage. It’s rare and some suspect it’s because it’s made differently in the US and Europe then traditionally. If you take it daily over years you likely will get a skin condition. Kava Kava as I see it is a stimulant and as such doesn’t have any health benefits. I would take it any day over Zoloft. Would I personally take it as a stimulant? No, but I also don’t drink alcohol (well I do but seldom). If I had the need to take it I would though.

I’m not going to quote the numbers of deaths caused by aspirin and the like, the numbers are so high you wouldn’t believe me anyway, so do your own research. The numbers of deaths by herbs are nothing compared to these numbers.

I’m also not advocating just taking anything the alternative market offers, certainly do your research. But also keep things in perspective. If a supplement causes a problem like say tryptofan did some years back. This was caused by a contaminated batch 10 years ago and it still has a bad reputation. In Denmark where I live it’s been banned ever since. But when Coca Cola releases a contaminated batch of soda’s with acid, do we ban soft drinks? Or if somebody dies from eating a chicken, should we ban chickens? Of cause not, but taking appropriate steeps to ensure good hygiene is a lesson learnt from salmonella in chickens.

Sorry for going on, I know we are all just trying to help with the knowledge, experiences and beliefs we have, but I do feel very strongly about this type of drug. And I will try to get back to the original question. It is suspected that St. John's wort may interact with Zoloft, and generally you should check with your health care professional before taking any other medicines with Zoloft. Whether the other herbs you mention fall in to this category or not we probably won’t come to an agreement here. So if you still want to take Zoloft, play it safe and check with your health care professional, this is a very powerful drug and don’t take any risks.
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I’m not advocating that drugs don’t have there uses. I also will see my traditional doctor for something’s. And shore some herbs may have some side effects, but nothing compared to Zoloft. I have never heard of a herb that causes suicide. Zoloft does according to FDA 1 out 50 under 18 years or younger become suicidal. There must also be some in-between the no adverse reactions and suicide cases, who get mental issues from this drug.

If you choose to believe the many cases of violence and murder caused by users of Zoloft, Prozac and the like or not it is certainly in my book cause for concern. Just try a read the warnings given to healthcare professionals and what they should look out for it patients, its scary reading.

As Kava Kava has been mentioned in this thread, can it cause side effects? Yes. Where it is used traditionally they don’t suffer from liver problems. In the US and Europe there have been liver damage. It’s rare and some suspect it’s because it’s made differently in the US and Europe then traditionally. If you take it daily over years you likely will get a skin condition. Kava Kava as I see it is a stimulant and as such doesn’t have any health benefits. I would take it any day over Zoloft. Would I personally take it as a stimulant? No, but I also don’t drink alcohol (well I do but seldom). If I had the need to take it I would though.

I’m not going to quote the numbers of deaths caused by aspirin and the like, the numbers are so high you wouldn’t believe me anyway, so do your own research. The numbers of deaths by herbs are nothing compared to these numbers.

I’m also not advocating just taking anything the alternative market offers, certainly do your research. But also keep things in perspective. If a supplement causes a problem like say tryptofan did some years back. This was caused by a contaminated batch 10 years ago and it still has a bad reputation. In Denmark where I live it’s been banned ever since. But when Coca Cola releases a contaminated batch of soda’s with acid, do we ban soft drinks? Or if somebody dies from eating a chicken, should we ban chickens? Of cause not, but taking appropriate steeps to ensure good hygiene is a lesson learnt from salmonella in chickens.

Sorry for going on, I know we are all just trying to help with the knowledge, experiences and beliefs we have, but I do feel very strongly about this type of drug. And I will try to get back to the original question. It is suspected that St. John's wort may interact with Zoloft, and generally you should check with your health care professional before taking any other medicines with Zoloft. Whether the other herbs you mention fall in to this category or not we probably won’t come to an agreement here. So if you still want to take Zoloft, play it safe and check with your health care professional, this is a very powerful drug and don’t take any risks.


here-here. i dig everything that you say. i feel strongly about the tryptophan issue too- it makes no sense.
First off Herbal medicenes are not under the FDA regulations so the statistics won't even be mentioned. You can't get a fair comparison in doing so, herbs that cause death do not have to be reported as such and for that matter deaths due to conventional medicene are over reported. hyped up by news media and taken way out in left field, thanks to all those good ole boys lawyers out there waiting for the money to roll in from class action suits. I worked for a Naturopaths for many years and we never had to report anyone who had a serious side effect from any herbal meds. There really is no comparison as to which causes more harm or more good, because they are under no obligation to report as such. In the nursing field we had to report anything from an unusual pimple to heart palpatations from any drug. Not to mention that very few actual deaths are do to a particular drug itself, it takes the right circumstances such as undetected heart disease or lung disease and more often than not, people DO NOT take their medicene as prescribed, if a little works fine than alot must work better, that causes more death than any pill, natural or conventional ever will. I don't knock the conventional or the alternative as I've worked in both fields but I do think people need to do more research than just taking something because someone said it worked for them, because everyone is different and react different with any kind of drug from aspirin to morphine. My husband would not be alive if he wasn't taking his heart medicene, we tried alternative for many years and he had two heart attacks not necessarily do to herbs but do to lack of the right ones for him, he has been heart attack free for 7 yrs now, 4 heart attacks, quadruple bypass, 3 stents, 2 angioplasty all within a 10 yr period. I have to be grateful to some of these drugs whether I like them or not, they are keeping him alive!!