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You are such an inspiration. I have read all of your posts. They are so informative yet so simple.
You see, I suffered f0r 15 years with insulin resistance and didn't know what it was. I would gain 30lbs in one month.
At 41, the deadly effects of this disease caught up with my body and by then my kidneys and heart had taken a hit. My bp was 200/115. My creatinine was 1.6 and my heart EF was 45%. Thankfully I had no outward symptoms of heart failure yet. I was admitted to the hospital on June 23. I read and read and read and found out about the carb connection. I was a carb addict eating over 200gms of simple carbs per day.

This was on June 25th, when I made this life saving change. I dont count calories, but I count carbs. I started this journey at 300lbs and I am at 240lbs now in 2 months. People look at me and swear I have had bypass. I am not hungry and my taste buds have actually changed. My skin has cleared up. My kidney dysfunction has been reversed, and is now normal.

I was started on an ace inhibitor and developed life threatening angioedema.
My doctor then against my wishes put me on Cozaar, which is an ARB. I had read that most people that was allergic to ACE1 was allergic to ARB's.
Well after 3 hours of taking the ARB, I broke out in hives and stopped urinating. I immediately stopped and told the doctor I will not take any more.
He wants me to take Coreg now and I have an appt with him on Wednesday.
Right now I take hctz 25mg and Labetalol 100mg BID, my blood pressure this morning before meds was 135/85. I have slowly weaned off these meds-yes without my doctors knowledge. I added other things to my health regimen and I have decided to take control of my own health care. I now believe the body is a perfect machine and when given what it needs, it will take care of the rest. I am more than ever motivated to get my health in order and get off meds totally.
Since this incident I have logged over 500 hours of research and reading.
Also can you believe on the front of Cozaar's website it says not to describe the med to people like me? I will complement doctors knowledge with my own, not let their knowledge be the guiding force.
Bre
Well, you are an inspirational yourself, BRE. I take 1800mg/daily of labetalol. I had a drug induced lupus reaction to Cozaar which my Dr. refused to believe. I now have permanent damage to my body from Cozaar. I was on the drug 13 days.

Please tell me more about your reaction to Cozaar. How did the angioedema look & where did it show up. Did your hemoglobin drop like mine did? Did you get knee damage. I hope you make a FDA report on the drug. Tell us more about your diet. I would love to get off both of my drugs (take HCTZ too.) You give me hope. Losing weight is quite a challenge & I'm just in the 160 range. I've gained 20 lbs since being on these drugs. I've always eaten a healthy diet. Fam
Famnd.. I would love to tell you what and how I now eat. My angio edema came from the ace inhibitor. My angioedema stared with my lips swelling and my throat sticking together. I almost ended up on a ventilator to open my airway. ACE1 also contributed to my renal failure,( I think it is ironic that all these diabetics are given ACE1 to protect their kidneys, and we are seeing more and more dailysis). Renal failure as well as heart failure is a complication of ACE1 that doctors conveniently forget to tell you.

I took one pill of Cozaar 50mg and developed hives and my urine turned brown and almost stopped. That was enough. So yes I do believe permanent damage is possible.I have a friend that took Cozaar and his heart failure is healed but he now has seizures.

Now for my lifestyle changes:))
I was a total carb junkie. ANything white with sugar went in my mouth.
I started eating only vegatables-preferably raw in a salad or steamed, fish, baked chicken, turkey and absolutely no salt. Peroid. The only salt I have had is what occurs naturally. I now season my meat with thyme, rosemary, garlic, lemon and vinegar. Very tasty. I only eat low glycemic fruit like strawberries, blueberries, black berries,.
I eat no bread.

My breakfast.. boiled egg or strawberries
Lunch large saled consists of greens, spinach, tomato, onions, raw squash-yummy, anything I can find and a protein.
Dinner- tonite I had sauteed squash in olive oil, baked turkey, and a salad.
Olive oil is my staple. Everything I eat has Extra Virgin Olive oil.. The good kind not the regular kind you buy from the grocery store.

People cant believe the looks of me, some swear I have had bypass cause of the drastic changes. I think I am still about 90lbs overweight after all of that. SO I have no doubt that I can get off this medicine.

OH I also did tons of research on heart healthy supplements. WHen I found a suggested supplement, I did hours and hours of research. There are some wonderful ones out there that the doctors dont know about or care to know about. In my research I also found that most of these meds deplete the heart of life saving vitamins and minerals.

My reading has also led me to understand that CCB and Labetalol are not first line drugs anymore. Not to worry-- I am slowing weaning off this labetalol. I am not playing doctor but I know my body and the fact that I was treated at a "Top 100 Heart Hospital" and the doctor didnt bother to see that I was norvasc and a alpha/beta blocker and just casually added Cozaar tells me he doesnt have my best interest at heart. I have to look out for myself and my family. I am searching for a new doctor cause I need to keep an eye on my EF.
I've eaten vegetarian since the 80's cause I never liked meat anyhow & had to restrict my calories. So I thought why am I eating something I don't like.

I've never eaten a lot of carbs because I get so much bloating from it. Luckily, I grew up poor & then got married & had 5 kids so I've never had the money to spend on fast food & junk food. So in the food department I've always been on the right track I believe. But this weight gain is a bummer. I won't even tell you all the exercise I do & always have. I did go through some touch thyroid issues which caused the HBP.

Do you have any genetic issues re: b/p. I do so I wonder if it is possible for me to get off meds. I have a book you would to read that goes into the ACE stuff with warning etc. That's how I got clued into some of the dangers.

Do you have to wear any type of support for the knee? I couldn't walk much at all & my Dr. wasn't coming up with any solutions after my Cozaar incident. I finally tried the elastic bandages because all the braces didn't fit. Using the bandages enables me to excercise. Otherwise I would be sitting in a lounge chair eating bon bons most of the time. My knee bones just wobble around like I'm a puppet. I never had any problem with knees until I took Cozaar. We'll have to continue this. Fam
[QUOTE=brebre;3709112]You are such an inspiration. I have read all of your posts. They are so informative yet so simple.

Thank you for the encouraging words!

[QUOTE]You see, I suffered f0r 15 years with insulin resistance and didn't know what it was. I would gain 30lbs in one month.
At 41, the deadly effects of this disease caught up with my body and by then my kidneys and heart had taken a hit. My bp was 200/115. My creatinine was 1.6 and my heart EF was 45%. Thankfully I had no outward symptoms of heart failure yet. I was admitted to the hospital on June 23.

We have somewhat similar stories. In my case, although I was about 25 pounds overweight, I could eat anything I wanted without gaining any additional weight. That is what threw me off for so long. I figured that, if my body could handle all that beer and food and snacks, then obviously there was nothing wrong with my metabolism. WRONG!

[QUOTE]I read and read and read and found out about the carb connection. I was a carb addict eating over 200gms of simple carbs per day.

Right before my body finally "broke" I was consuming a large bag of potato chips every other day, plus ice cream, subs, pizza, large bowls of spaghetti and meatballs, etc; and never putting on a pound. Now I've got to be very careful with carbs. Kinda like payback for decades of unbridled gluttony. OTOH, if I could go back to the good old days of overeating and pitchers of beer, I would do so in a heartbeat. So...... perhaps it is good that my body won't let me do that anymore.

Self-control is obviously not in my dictionary. Unfortunately, it is also not in the dictionaries of many others.

Except....... in your case, self-control IS in your dictionary. It is so tough to limit one's diet, the way that it must be done, and you are doing it!

In my case, I've grown to love my diet, so it isn't as difficult as it used to be. I LOVE IT. I eat seven small, low glycemic meals per day, and I love it, every last little morsel. :bouncing:

[QUOTE]This was on June 25th, when I made this life saving change. I dont count calories, but I count carbs. I started this journey at 300lbs and I am at 240lbs now in 2 months.

I couldn't be more proud of you. :) That "journey" is a difficult one!

[QUOTE]People look at me and swear I have had bypass.

Positive feedback is a great motivator. Like..... when I read your nice post to me. I really appreciated your feedback! :D

[QUOTE]I am not hungry and my taste buds have actually changed. My skin has cleared up. My kidney dysfunction has been reversed, and is now normal.

And...... that was a journey started just two months ago. Wow! Your story drives home the benefits of a good diet, even when dealing with serious disease. Dieting is not just for weight control, or to look good, it is the most important "medicine" for good health.

All of the life-saving medicines in this world, Beta Blockers, CCBs, AceIs, ARBs, Diuretics, etc., will never reverse the constant damage from a bad diet, NEVER!

[QUOTE]I was started on an ace inhibitor and developed life threatening angioedema. My doctor then against my wishes put me on Cozaar, which is an ARB. I had read that most people that was allergic to ACE1 was allergic to ARB's.

Well after 3 hours of taking the ARB, I broke out in hives and stopped urinating. I immediately stopped and told the doctor I will not take any more.

He wants me to take Coreg now and I have an appt with him on Wednesday.

Sorry that you went thru such nasty experiences with your medicines and your deaf, dumb and blind doctor. :rolleyes:

I am on Coreg, and it is very effective, in my case, but I only take 3.125mg one a day. I've got an over-active and over-reactive immune system, so I want to be on a medication that is best able to "calm" my immune system.

One thing that causes over-active and over-reactive immune systems is Insulin Resistance. As you know, and have stated, Insulin is an extremely important hormone, and when the body's insulin handling is out of whack, all hell breaks loose within the body, attacking organs, glands, joints, nerves, etc.

[QUOTE]Right now I take hctz 25mg and Labetalol 100mg BID, my blood pressure this morning before meds was 135/85.

How does your bp range throughout the rest of the day? Do you take frequent readings?

[QUOTE]I have slowly weaned off these meds-yes without my doctors knowledge.

This is another similarity between the two of us.

My cardiologist has no idea that I've totally stopped taking four of my meds, including my AceI, CCB and Diuretic.

My blood pressure for August 2008 is running at 112/69 based on 90 readings, and for all of 2008, 121/72. As I keep up the healthy diet, and increase my physical exercise, my average monthly blood pressure continues to drop. It is actually getting a little too low. I am thinking of taking my coreg, every other day, rather than every day, but I haven't made up my mind yet. Coreg, for me, is a very beneficial med, and I want to get the most out of it.

How do you verify that the reduction in your meds is a good thing to do?

[QUOTE]I added other things to my health regimen and I have decided to take control of my own health care. I now believe the body is a perfect machine and when given what it needs, it will take care of the rest. I am more than ever motivated to get my health in order and get off meds totally.

Congratulations on your determination and your efforts.

I agree with you about the power of our own bodies. Our bodies are very complex machines. There are over 300 different hormones, being pumped through our bodies, at various times throughout the day, and in response to various stimuli. Plus there are also numerous nervous system chemicals. Damage to our bodies, from either a bad diet, drug abuse, accident or heredity, cause imbalances in these hormones/chemicals. Medicines attempt to block or inhibit these imbalances, but, as you have found out, these medications can also do some harm, or create some misery. Our bodies are just too complex for there to ever be a perfect, man made medication.

[QUOTE]Since this incident I have logged over 500 hours of research and reading.

Also can you believe on the front of Cozaar's website it says not to describe the med to people like me? I will complement doctors knowledge with my own, not let their knowledge be the guiding force.
Bre

Your personal journey towards good health is impressive. I like the fact that you intend to "use" your doctor's knowledge, but not take their word as gospel. After all, a doctor is merely a car mechanic, that decided to work on humans rather than cars. Most doctors spend their days guessing what to do for their patients, not using thorough analysis and research. Why is that? Well... the answer is in the 500 hours of research and reading that you have done, on your own health issues. There is no way that, even the smartest, most gifted doctor, can research and evaluate your complex medical issues, in ten minutes, where you, and I, have had to spend hundreds of hours. It just can't be done in just ten minutes.

Sorry, about my getting on my soapbox, and the length of my response to your very nice feedback. I didn't expect to run off at the mouth (keyboard) this much. :confused:

I wish you the best of luck and fortune in your journey toward good health. With your attitude and determination and comprehension skills, you are certain to succeed!

Take care! It will be interesting following your progress. :wave:
You see I never thought I had self control either until you see your life flash before your face. I am 41 years old with a five year old. As I was getting sicker and sicker on the Lisinopril my “daughter said Mommy you are not going to die are you”?
I knew I had spiraled out of control. However, with insulin resistance, it is such a snowball. You eat the carbs, the insulin spikes, you eat more carbs and repeat over and over. I was also depressed.
I took myself to the ER as I felt like I was slowly dying. My bp was 200 systolic. I decided that day enough is enough. This is not fair to my daughter and husband or to me.
I decided to change literally that day. It was so hard ... I also went cold turkey off Lisinipril and carbs and I was bedridden for 5 days. Muscle aches, muscle twitches, vomiting, coughing, nausea, diarrhea, sweating, incapacitating knee and shoulder pain, confusion, itching, palpitations , all kinds of neuro sxs. I had also started taking Labetalol and Norvasc at this time so I wasn’t sure what I was feeling. I prayed and prayed and read and prayed some more.
I was so angry especially at myself cause I of all people knew better. I knew the weight was bad, I knew I shouldnt have been taking medication without thoroughly researching it. I new I should have read the actions, indications and contraindications to this drug.
After getting sick, I researched Lisinopril and found out that it is made from a South American Pit Viper snakes venom, I knew I had made the right decision. (I really have to be careful how I word this ).
My blood pressure was still averaging 150/80’s. I took my supplements, magnesium, co-enzyme q10, Zinc- Ace Inhibitors deplete the body of zinc and Zinc’s main function is to regulate the immune system. I also took vitamin c, fish oil, and ate healthy raw foods when I could. Lisinopril had also caused me to lose my taste buds.
I was taking Labetalol 400mg bid, hctz 25mg qd, norvasc 10mg qd. I stopped the Cozaar immediately after one pill. I started to suspect I was being overmedicated. I started decreasing these meds. And each day I feel a little better. I am no where near back 100%.
Machaon, you asked how can I tell my reduction in meds is effective? I am no longer bed ridden and I am not confused. I can care for my five year old daughter.. and the biggest indicator to me is how I feel. Now I know I need to work with the doctors to coordinate how my heart function is doing. I truly believe the meds along with the HBP was leading me to an early death. If Lisinopril made my kidneys fail why cant it make my other organs fail? The doctors refused to acknowledge what I was saying. They chose to label me as being noncompliant with my medications.
I don’t know why doctors won’t address side effects as real. We live in a very litigious society. To acknowledge a problem, means that you have to deal with it. I know this to be 1000% fact that doctors think this way.
Well you asked one simple question and got a dissertation. I am just so passionate about this and I know God works in mysterious ways. Maybe I was chosen for a reason. I just want every one to now and understand the importance of caring for the body and the body will respond. Afterall, the body is a perfect machine.

Bre
Oh yes right now I am a nervous wreck thinking about my Wednesday appt cause my doctor wants to put me on Coreq and Coreq gave my friend seizures. I dread taking all of these medication cause I don't feel good on it. I have a job that requires me to be alert 1000% of every minute.

I feel foggy head and the fatigue.. oh my God. Here is the delemna, I sleep for 3 hours on and 3 hours off. SO I wake up feeling like I have not had slept. SO that starts my fatigue. I am so sensitive to all these meds . My stomach is cramping so bad with diarrhea. I am foggy brain and listless. The ACE1 Lisinopril and ARB Cozaar gave me renal failure so I am terrified to try any more of them.

Well I now know I started with the wrong medication dosages and combinations, so maybe this is a withdrawal process.
They started me on Labetalol 400mg bid, Norvasc 10mg daily and hctz 25mg daily. I am now on LAbetalol 100mg daily, norvasc 7.5 mg, hctz 25mg.
My blood pressures are better on the lower dosages-go figure.
I am so fatigued from the whole process. My 5 year old daughter keeps me going... I guess you can tell today is not a good day for me.

Bre