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Sonia,

Try this to check out your doctor's integrity: Tell him, "YES you'll try ANY CCB except for NORVASC."
If he seems to lose interest in the subject entirely you'll know that you have a doctor who is only interested in pushing drugs that enrich him. Exactly that happened to me when my doctor started hinting at calcium channel blockers. (I had tried Norvasc for a month from my cardiologist and KNEW that I hated it.)

Personally, I would go out of my way to avoid CCB's for just hypertension. In NO SENSE are they considered the "first-line" antihypertensives. That singular honor STILL rests with cheap old diuretics, much to the chagrin of Pfizer.

YES,
These drugs increase the risk of heart attack and YES nifedipine is the worst of the worst. And alas, NORVASC was the most widely prescribed antihypertensive and third among all drugs until the month it went off patent when sales came crashing down...now doctors don't think quite so much of it as before...I guess their remuneration has been cut, poor dears!;)
[QUOTE=Lenin;3000047]... In NO SENSE are they considered the "first-line" antihypertensives. That singular honor STILL rests with cheap old diuretics, much to the chagrin of Pfizer.

Lenin,

Your comment may be misleading to those who are not familiar with the government's algorithm for the treatment of hypertension which advises doctors to prescribe their initial drug choices based on a patient's medical history and based on their stage of hypertension. Someone diagnosed with pre hypertention may have different first line medication than someone diagnosed with stage 1 or stage 2 hypertension. Someone with compelling indications such as heart failure, post myocardial infarction, high CVD risk, diabetes, chronic kidney disease, or recurrent stroke prevention may have different guidelines than someone without compelling indications. In other words, "first-line" antihyperintensives are based on individual circumstances and are not necessarily diuretics!

[QUOTE] NORVASC was the most widely prescribed antihypertensive and third among all drugs until the month it went off patent when sales came crashing down...

After being on hydrochlorothiazide, lisinopril, benicar hctz, and atenolol, and experiencing memory loss, cognitive problems, sleep disturbances and disorders, mood problems, exhaustion, elevated cholesterol levels, gout, muscle, joint, and bone pain, weight gain, increased blood pressure, and suicidal ideations--- norvasc ( with side effects of facial flushing and 1-2 nocturnal awakenings per night) was a godsend to me.

Yes, I'm sure the sales came crashing down when the patent expired, but like me, I'm sure many patients simply switched to the generic form.

Bsheba
Beerzoids,

So comforting and reassuring to know you're lurking on the board! I've missed you!!

Really appreciate your info re:verapamil and will look into it for several reasons...

1. Norvasc may have gone generic but it is not cheap---
2. Although I can function with the side effects of Norvasc, it does effect my sleep (I know because my sleep improves after "missing" a dose for several days--yes, I know I shouldn't do this). I would like to sleep through the night without waking at 12:15 and again later in the early am. I have tried taking my dose at different times, but this hasn't helped much.

Tried looking for info on your insulin resistin diet but the site that was mentioned is no longer there. Someone (was it Fam?) had referred to your reference again so will look further. I strongly believe that healthy eating is a major component to the solution, at least for me.

Again, so good to hear from you. I think of you often.

Bsheba
[QUOTE=bethsheba;3002630]Beerzoids,

So comforting and reassuring to know you're lurking on the board! I've missed you!!

Thanks for the friendly welcome! :)

I lurk frequently. You still have me pondering the association between Sleep Apnea, Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, Weight, Insulin Resistance and the over-activation of the NeuroHormonal System.

[QUOTE]Really appreciate your info re:verapamil and will look into it for several reasons...

1. Norvasc may have gone generic but it is not cheap---
2. Although I can function with the side effects of Norvasc, it does effect my sleep (I know because my sleep improves after "missing" a dose for several days--yes, I know I shouldn't do this). I would like to sleep through the night without waking at 12:15 and again later in the early am. I have tried taking my dose at different times, but this hasn't helped much.

I don't take the slow release version. I take 80mg, twice a day. It's supposed to be three times a day but I can't take it at night.

[QUOTE]Tried looking for info on your insulin resistance diet but the site that was mentioned is no longer there.

It's a pdf file. It's at:

[url]www.snac.ucla.edu/pages/Resources/Handouts/HODiabetesandInsulinResistance.pdf[/url]

It's an educational, informational PDF file, so I don't think that HealthBoards has a problem with my posting the link.

[QUOTE]Again, so good to hear from you. I think of you often.

Bsheba

I also enjoy reading your informative posts, as I have said before. I am glad to see that your very active posting continues. I congratulate you for speaking up when someone states as "fact" something based primarily on personal experiences or personal perceptions. As you have pointed out, reactions can vary by individual.

Take care....... :wave:
I have to agree with Lenin that diuretics are the first line of defense against hypertension. Norvasc may be the number one seller, and it is, but doctors always seem to start with the Diuretics.
I believe the reason is to exaust all unnecessary fluids in case that are causing the heart to raise pressure trying to expell these fluids.
I know of atleast 6 or 8 people in my family were all started with diuretics including myself.
Hi all,

I tried all the drug classes and all of them caused very bad side effects except CCBs. I started with Norvasc 5 mg but it didn't lower my blood pressure, also it was causing me to feel that something is different but no side effects. For the last 18 months, I guess :D, I'm on Diltiazem 120mg SR twice daily and so far so GREAT :). Without it I would be in a big problem.
Thanks,
Michael
If someone is going to talk about the rarer side effects of ONE drug to promote ANOTHER then it is only fair to list the side efffects of the other as well:
For Norvasc:

an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives);

unusually fast or slow heartbeat;

chest pain;

severe dizziness or fainting;

psychosis;

jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes); or

swelling of the legs or ankles.

And the less severe:

fatigue or tiredness;

headache;

insomnia;

vivid or abnormal dreams;

flushing;

abdominal pain;

nausea, diarrhea, or constipation; or

increased or difficult urination.

And from my own personal experience: EXTEREME nervousness.
AND that list is WITHOUT the mention of increased risk of heart attack as compared to other antihypertensive drug classes


We choose the drugs we choose because they work well with the fewest side effects and at a reasonable cost. For me Lasix passes these tests and Norvasc falls flat on its face as do the ARB's, and ACEI's but, as I have stated many times, I am in the minority: a salt sensitive hypertensive.
Others must "pick their poison" and wind their way through one poor choice after another to find what is best.

[QUOTE]Beth:
government's algorithm for the treatment of hypertension which advises doctors to prescribe their initial drug choices based on a patient's medical history and based on their stage of hypertension.
Yes, that's all well and good (and buried DEEP in recommendations that call for diuretics as THE first line of treatment) BUT in the REAL world, my doctor and I'm sure MANY doctors take a BP reading and prescribe NORVASC if the reading is high. In the waiting room, there are several boxes of tissues with NORVASC printed beautifully on all 6sides, all the pens and referral pads in the office say NORVASC, there is a magazine holder with NORVASC printed on the top, a clock that says NORVASC, NORVASC calendars (two??)and Norvasc brochure piles all over the place...even lovely Norvasc picture frame. I was surprised that each sheet of TOILET PAPER didn't say NORVASC on it. Yes there is almost ALWAYS a beautiful Norvasc representative wheeling her crate of samples in and BEGGING him to go to "lunch";) with her...but he's gay, :D:D and I guess Pfizer hasn't yet taken to hiring beautiful MEN to peddle samples, but they WILL !
(I once mentioned the "Norvasc waiting room" to my doctor...oh, did I get a dirty look; seems I hit a nerve! :D)

THAT'S the REAL world of doctors following guidelines for your 5 minute "in depth analysis of BP needs."

I DESPISE the way CERTAIN drugs are rammed down our throats with the complete complicity of doctors operating out of GREED rather than medical ethics and Pfizer's PUSHING of Norvasc is at the top of my list...and Lipitor is right up there too in SPITE of the fact that I think atorvastatin is a GOOD drug.

If ONLY doctors would prescribe based on what we need rather than what patent med they are told to peddle this year...If ONLY!
[QUOTE=michaellabibat;3004314]... I tried all the drug classes and all of them caused very bad side effects except CCBs.

Michael, I've had a similar experience. The drugs that I've tried "worked", sometimes too much, :dizzy: , but the side effects were worse than the conditions they were meant to prevent.

[QUOTE] I'm on Diltiazem 120mg SR twice daily and so far so GREAT :). Without it I would be in a big problem....l

I appreciate the heads up on the diltiazem 120 mg SR as I want to compile a list of possible drugs to try next. Am currently on a generic form of norvasc, with "minor" side effects, but I can't help but think there's got to be something better out there for me. Beerzoids has had good success and a long hx with verapamil so that's on my list, too.

Good to hear from you again as it's been awhile. Hope you and your father are doing well.

Bsheba
Hello bethsheba,

Thanks for asking about me and my father :). I tried Norvasc and it didn't had any effect on my blood pressure, also I felt that something is wrong while I', on it. I can't explain my feelings at that time but it was weird, but I didn' get side effects (as long as I remember).

Diltiazem SR is fine and I like it, now I can workout without any problems unlike all the other medications that I have tried :(.
Good luck to you and to everyone on the boards.
Thanks,
Michael
[QUOTE=Lenin;3004390]If someone is going to talk about the rarer side effects of ONE drug to promote ANOTHER then it is only fair to list the side efffects of the other as well:
For Norvasc:

I agree that, in order to be fair and balanced, we should all study the "published" side effects of the drugs in question.

Promoting a particular drug, like you do with diuretics, without knowing a patient's complete health history, even after you have studied the drug manufacturer's list of side effects, also exposes patients to some risk.

We should all weigh medication benefits against negative side effects, in order to attempt to match the best combinations of medications to our health problems. This is not easy, and must be done on a individual basis, based on a complete patient workup and health evaluation.

I avoid diuretics, like the plague, because of medical studies and articles that have linked diuretics to new onset diabetes and blood clots. I also have heart rhythm problems, and the fact that diuretics flush needed minerals out of our systems, is probably a reason for the increased rhythm and breathing problems that I experience with diuretics.

[QUOTE]And from my own personal experience: EXTEREME nervousness.

I looked up EXTEREME nervousness and found only one other person with this ailment, who resides in Siberia. He only speaks Russian, so you might not be able to share notes with him. :D

[QUOTE]We choose the drugs we choose because they work well with the fewest side effects and at a reasonable cost. For me Lasix passes these tests ...

For you, the increased risk of Diabetes and Blood Clots is acceptable, for me it isn't.

[QUOTE] ... and Norvasc falls flat on its face as do the ARB's, and ACEI's but, as I have stated many times, I am in the minority: a salt sensitive hypertensive.
Others must "pick their poison" and wind their way through one poor choice after another to find what is best.

Or..... as in my case, "one good choice after another". I am doing very well with Verapamil and Quinapril with few side effects. I have learned how to LOVE my medications, especially since, every time I have tried to get off of them, my health worsened.

[QUOTE]I DESPISE the way CERTAIN drugs are rammed down our throats ...

You mean, like diuretics? ;)

In my case, I have been on HealthBoards for about four years, and have never promoted a particular medication, since it is nearly impossible to know someone else's complete health workup, but I do post about my individual experience and research.
[QUOTE=michaellabibat;3006318]Hello bethsheba,

Thanks for asking about me and my father :).
You're welcome, Michael. Thank you for keeping us updated on what's going on in your lives.

[QUOTE]I tried Norvasc and it didn't had any effect on my blood pressure, also I felt that something is wrong while I', on it. I can't explain my feelings at that time but it was weird, but I didn' get side effects (as long as I remember).

I think, whether intentionally or unintentionally, you make an excellent point---we need to listen to our bodies! Although, ideally, we would like to be able to explain (and/or understand) what's going on with a medication, that's not always possible so it makes sense to respect our instincts and make some changes that our bodies agree with.

[QUOTE]Diltiazem SR is fine and I like it, now I can workout without any problems unlike all the other medications that I have tried :(.


That's what's important! It works for you, and perhaps, it will work for others who are looking for answers to their own situations.

Good luck to you, Michael.

Bsheba
Hello Beerzoids!

First of all, thank you for taking the time to address our posts. Your insights are invaluable as is your patience and your tact. I have much to learn from you, from your experiences and knowledge, and insights. I can't tell you how very much I value and appreciate the information you share!

As far as the CCB's go, I need to find a new physician. I see a family practioner now, who came highly recommended, but who is not as well versed in bp issues as I would like him to be. So I'm going to do some shopping before I try another med...will do some research in the meantime.

The norvasc is ok, but I like sleeping at night and I can't do that with this med and the problem seems to be getting worse--don't they always? I'm finding that I "forget" to take a dose just so I can sleep...not good!

I'm still trying to catch up on the things I have not been able to do for the last three years. The weather is nice so I'm now able to work outside...I've got home repairs, yardwork, and just plain old maintenence to do ---not to mention that I MUST find a job and get health insurance. So I am planning on taking some time away from the boards and getting back to life. I'll stop by now and then to find out how you are doing and to keep you updated--but in the meantime, do know that I'll be thinking of you and am wishing you the very best.

Sincerely,

Bsheba