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I'll add a few words to your new thread! After being on just about every SSRI except effexxor ( wouldn't EVEN touch that one) I am happy to report I am off of them for the first time since 1988 or so. Its been a month plus a few days now. I still carry a Xanax just in case I get anxiety from dealing with an event or person.
None of the SSRI's ( ie Zoloft, Luvox, Paxil , Prozac, Lexapro , Celexa) seemed to have made any difference except for making me feel fuzzy, detached, sleepy , unmotivated and basically ill. I will wonder if MY depression has always been situational. I took meds to relieve the symptoms . But ended up with a pattern I didn't like.

I think I will always have depression but I am doing my best to think and act my way out of the episodes. It requires great effort though and I am willing to do it to avoid meds and the side effects that go along. I do not want to live in a fuzzy detached state day after day. No one can get me out of this but me . It requires me to take that step to do it. A pill will not work with me. Been there, done that. Me me me. Look how many times I mentioned that word. I had to get away from these thoughts.

Gained about 8 pounds whilst on 20mgsLexapro . I noticed it was the appetite that increased and for a solid month, I ate and ate all the time. Nothing would fill me up and I'd just eat . Then ,I would get sleepy and go to bed. After living like this day after day , I got fed up with the way I was headed so I returned to Celexa . I was still somewhat detached although the appetite problem decreased. Decided I would try life without meds.

So far, so good really. I am better off mentally than I was using the meds. It remains to be seen how I am 6 months from now. If the depression gets to be more than I can handle, I will go back to meds. I must give that effort though to remain med free.
I am very conscious of what I eat ( am also going through menopause) and I do get quite a bit of exercise stocking the retail store. I consider that job a challenge despite not really having to do it for income. . Most people wouldn't want to be this physical . Lousy pay really but the point is to get out of the house, to exercise, to interact with people , and mostly , to force myself into a schedule. Yeah, its tough and I lift alot of heavy things but I am determined I can do this .
I think this job has made a big difference and it keeps the depresssion at bay. I enjoy bantering with customers. It makes me have to think about something else. I intend to keep it until my body says enough of this.

I also know I have a talent for painting which is there whenever I decide I want to do it. Right now, I am fed up trying to compete with cheap imports so I don't feel motivated to produce alot of things. I will though start painting for the holiday season. Look at it more like relaxation rather than income -producing .
So , my thing is trying to work away from the house to stay depression -free and I want to do this without meds. Then use the painting as a relaxation thing when I AM in the house. Just my thoughts written down really. Sorry the post is so long. But I am glad I got to write the thoughts down here on the board. I can go back through the archives and re read if I reach "that point" again.

As far as that weight thing- make it your big goal ( I know you are) but give it the best effort and do not give up . Join a group if you need to . Even a gym to keep you on that schedule. Or if you need a stocking job, I know where you can apply! You won't believe how strong I have become !! And how fast I can move . But it works for me .... an effort rewarded so far.
[QUOTE=Donna 2854]I'll add a few words to your new thread! After being on just about every SSRI except effexxor ( wouldn't EVEN touch that one) I am happy to report I am off of them for the first time since 1988 or so. Its been a month plus a few days now. I still carry a Xanax just in case I get anxiety from dealing with an event or person.
None of the SSRI's ( ie Zoloft, Luvox, Paxil , Prozac, Lexapro , Celexa) seemed to have made any difference except for making me feel fuzzy, detached, sleepy , unmotivated and basically ill. I will wonder if MY depression has always been situational. I took meds to relieve the symptoms . But ended up with a pattern I didn't like.

Hi Donna :wave: Boy, I'm impressed, you've been on ADs longer than I was (I was 10 years). I completely agree with everything you have said. I'm at 18 days free! Woo Hoo!

I got tired of being fuzzy, detached, sleepy, ill... everything you said. I took the meds because I trusted my doctor(s) :jester: :jester: when they said I was "chemically imbalanced" and wouldn't get better without them. What a crock!

[QUOTE=Donna 2854] I think I will always have depression but I am doing my best to think and act my way out of the episodes. It requires great effort though and I am willing to do it to avoid meds and the side effects that go along. I do not want to live in a fuzzy detached state day after day. No one can get me out of this but me . It requires me to take that step to do it. A pill will not work with me. Been there, done that. Me me me. Look how many times I mentioned that word. I had to get away from these thoughts.


I am somewhat fearful that I will always have depression.
Fearful that I will again find myself in a really dark place. Yet at the same time, I wasn't getting any better on the ADs, in fact, I think I was getting worse. So I am determined to give this a shot, give me a shot, at a better quality of life.

[QUOTE=Donna 2854]
I am very conscious of what I eat ( am also going through menopause) and I do get quite a bit of exercise stocking the retail store. I consider that job a challenge despite not really having to do it for income. . Most people wouldn't want to be this physical . Lousy pay really but the point is to get out of the house, to exercise, to interact with people , and mostly , to force myself into a schedule. Yeah, its tough and I lift alot of heavy things but I am determined I can do this .
I think this job has made a big difference and it keeps the depresssion at bay. I enjoy bantering with customers. It makes me have to think about something else. I intend to keep it until my body says enough of this.

I also know I have a talent for painting which is there whenever I decide I want to do it. Right now, I am fed up trying to compete with cheap imports so I don't feel motivated to produce alot of things. I will though start painting for the holiday season. Look at it more like relaxation rather than income -producing .
So , my thing is trying to work away from the house to stay depression -free and I want to do this without meds. Then use the painting as a relaxation thing when I AM in the house. Just my thoughts written down really. Sorry the post is so long. But I am glad I got to write the thoughts down here on the board. I can go back through the archives and re read if I reach "that point" again.



I read about your job on another post. I'm impressed, and a little envious. Unfortunately, it's just me so I have to work where I can (somewhat :rolleyes: ) support myself.

Definately give your painting a go. It's gotta feel good to create beautiful things... and who knows? You could get discovered! I used to sing, but my last bout with depression took the desire away. I'm starting to think about singing again.... so we'll see....

Thanks so much for your support! :bouncing: Every little bit helps enormously!
Quote from sickofeffexor:
Hi Sandella :wave: Hi everyone :wave:

I have been on ADs for 10 years. After 10 months of tapering, I am finally off everything. 17 days AD-free now.

The first few years I was on Prozac and had no complaints. Unfortunately it stopped working for me. From there on out, I went from AD to AD. When I complained of the side effects, the doctor(s) would add on another prescription to deal with side effects. When I reached 6 drugs at one time, and even my counselors and friends were getting concerned, I went to my doctor and told him my fears, my side effects, etc... to which he wanted to add on another drug. When I confronted him about not listening to me, and continuing to want to give me medication against my wishes... he then suggested I might want to try hospitalization and shock therapy. So that's when I fired him, and started tapering.

The last 7 years on ADs, I have gained a total of 80 pounds. Never in my life -- until ADs -- did I have a problem with my weight. Not even remotely.

I'm hoping this thread might be a place where those of us who are going to give life a try without ADs, can come together for support.

I'd like to get this weight off, live my life thin again, and then decide if I can live the rest of my life, with or without depression, without ADs. But between the side effects and the weight gain, it has only added to my depression. So I don't think I will be able to fully decide what's best for me, until I can get this weight off, then I'll be in a better place to re-evaluate.

I already gave up sodas 18 months ago in the hopes that I would lose weight.... now that I am completely off all ADs, my plan (starting noon today) is to give up the rest of refined sugar, white flour, and exercise at least 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week.

I am nervous that my "depression" will come back. Even though I believe my depression has always been situational.... it's hard to fight doctors who say I will always have to be on ADs. I think it's a normal fear for me to have at this point.

I would sure appreciate the company of others going through something similar.





:wave:


Hi there, I just saw this thread!

Good for you; 17 days is early yet but it gets better as time goes on. Yes, fear is normal of the unknown, uncharted territory you are now in. But don't let doctors scare you, as we know, they can't prove anything wrong with your neurotransmitter levels...

...but, no doubt they have been adversly effected all this time on meds, so don't be surprised if it takes a few months or a year to be completely out of the woods. Meanwhile, relish in the idea that you are no longer a slave to pills or doctors!

They can be so stupid. One doctor pushed my mother-in-law so hard to take Paxil, basically, get this, because she got tired sometimes and felt low.

She's in her 70's for goodness sake!!!I think you are allowed to be a bit tired when you are that age, wouldn't you say? Anyway, it scared her when he made her sign a paper that he recommended the Paxil and was not liable in case something happened! I said to her, do you feel like killing yourself? She said no, so I said then what can happen if you don't take Paxil?

Nothing, that's what.

But we always value and thus fear doctor's recommendations because they are supposed to know everything. Well, they do know alot but if they can't provide any biological means to test for serotonin deficiency in a patient, than they are guessing at best. There is still no real proof that serotonin is the only neuro involved in depression, and situational depression certainly is a separate issue altogether.

Stay strong, ok? :wave:
Quote from Jennita:

They can be so stupid. One doctor pushed my mother-in-law so hard to take Paxil, basically, get this, because she got tired sometimes and felt low.

You know, when I hear these stories ...!!!

I really think I'm going to turn off my computer and go to bed now ... do not even get me going.

I'll just do what Sickofeffexor would do ... and throw in those old jesters!!!
:jester: :jester: :jester:
Quote from Jennita:
Hi there, I just saw this thread!

Good for you; 17 days is early yet but it gets better as time goes on. Yes, fear is normal of the unknown, uncharted territory you are now in. But don't let doctors scare you, as we know, they can't prove anything wrong with your neurotransmitter levels...

...but, no doubt they have been adversly effected all this time on meds, so don't be surprised if it takes a few months or a year to be completely out of the woods. Meanwhile, relish in the idea that you are no longer a slave to pills or doctors!

They can be so stupid. One doctor pushed my mother-in-law so hard to take Paxil, basically, get this, because she got tired sometimes and felt low.

She's in her 70's for goodness sake!!!I think you are allowed to be a bit tired when you are that age, wouldn't you say? Anyway, it scared her when he made her sign a paper that he recommended the Paxil and was not liable in case something happened! I said to her, do you feel like killing yourself? She said no, so I said then what can happen if you don't take Paxil?

Nothing, that's what.

But we always value and thus fear doctor's recommendations because they are supposed to know everything. Well, they do know alot but if they can't provide any biological means to test for serotonin deficiency in a patient, than they are guessing at best. There is still no real proof that serotonin is the only neuro involved in depression, and situational depression certainly is a separate issue altogether.

Stay strong, ok? :wave:


:wave: Hello!

I can't believe the doctor tried to force Paxil on your mother-in-law. I hope she didn't take it!?!

You know, about the last two weeks of my tapering off, I stopped gaining weight -- I'm just wondering how long it will be until it starts coming off!!!
Quote from sickofeffexor:
:wave: Hello!

I can't believe the doctor tried to force Paxil on your mother-in-law. I hope she didn't take it!?!

You know, about the last two weeks of my tapering off, I stopped gaining weight -- I'm just wondering how long it will be until it starts coming off!!!

And you know what ... maybe it's just part of my positive thinking/visualization or just keeping this board in the back of my mind ;) ... but I've lost 2lbs since quitting the poison. And it's only been 2 weeks! (Well, maybe 1.5lbs but who's counting!)

My real goal now is to just make sure it doesn't creep back on. Then even if I lose another pound or so in another couple of weeks, that's fine! I don't care how slow it goes, as long as it keeps going down!

Guys, I have a very good feeling that in a month or so, we'll all be in a much better place! :bouncing:
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Got a question.I am wondering if I should have tapered my celexa first and then my trazadone.I am so tired from not getting a good sleep that I am feeling the drag of depression more. I wonder if I taper my celexa and get off of that that then I will be more able to handle the trazadone as it is not anything that is hard to taper off of as there is no withdrawals from it- just psychological addiction.It was so easy that I think I may have shot myself in the foot by doing that one first.I think I need to go back to the small dose(1/4 of 50mg) and try the celexa first.Oh I don't know - I am just so tired I can't think straight.Please help. :yawn:

Concerned, when I read your previous post, the first thing that came to my mind is why did you decide to withdraw from the Trazadone first?

If I were in your shoes, I'd definitely do the Celexa first. Slowly, slowly, slowly! Don't be in any rush and do anything too ambitious and then feel like you're just going to throw in the towel.

You have to get your sleep, otherwise you're going to be useless!

SLOWLY taper off the Celexa. By all accounts, it doesn't have the wretched history of withdrawal problems that Effexor and Paxil have, so you'll hopefully do just fine. And you may just find that you automatically won't even need to take the Trazadone for sleep anymore.

Head up, stay on track and you can do it. We're all here watching over you! :angel:
Quote from sgt207:
Kris,
What AD were you on when you suffered from the dehydration. I am trying to narrow down the cause. At the time I told the ER Dr's that my research showed it could be "Syndrome of Inappropriate Antidiuretic Hormone Secretion" which can be precipitated by AD's - BUT they looked at me like I was nuts.


Hi Sgt,

You know I've been racking my brains for days because I had an episode where I spent the day in the hospital hooked up to an IV because I was severely dehydrated. I've finally been able to piece it together with the help of a friend of mine who was there -- and it was during my Paxil withdrawal. I had severe Vertigo for weeks.... and then the dehydration problem. I remember how much I complained to my doctor but he did not connect it to the Paxil withdrawal.

I figured out the Vertigo/Paxil connection years later after reading about these nasty side effects.

Scary stuff.
Quote from sickofeffexor:
Hi Sgt,

You know I've been racking my brains for days because I had an episode where I spent the day in the hospital hooked up to an IV because I was severely dehydrated. I've finally been able to piece it together with the help of a friend of mine who was there -- and it was during my Paxil withdrawal. I had severe Vertigo for weeks.... and then the dehydration problem. I remember how much I complained to my doctor but he did not connect it to the Paxil withdrawal.

I figured out the Vertigo/Paxil connection years later after reading about these nasty side effects.

Scary stuff.


I am trying to find an endocronologist (sp.), a neuropharmacist(sp.), and/or any other medical professional who can put 2+2+2+2 together to add up to 8. When I do, I will post the information on this board and I think we'll have the key to approaching withdrawal problems. I can't, for the life of me, believe that the drug companies have not researched this. In the end of the day the medical community needs to find out what is wrong here and help those like us to come off these meds. I would also love to believe that the R&D dept's of the drug companies read these message boards and are taking pro-active steps in this area, but I doubt it.
[QUOTE=Donna 2854]I'll add a few words to your new thread! After being on just about every SSRI except effexxor ( wouldn't EVEN touch that one) I am happy to report I am off of them for the first time since 1988 or so. Its been a month plus a few days now. I still carry a Xanax just in case I get anxiety from dealing with an event or person.
None of the SSRI's ( ie Zoloft, Luvox, Paxil , Prozac, Lexapro , Celexa) seemed to have made any difference except for making me feel fuzzy, detached, sleepy , unmotivated and basically ill. I will wonder if MY depression has always been situational. I took meds to relieve the symptoms . But ended up with a pattern I didn't like.

I think I will always have depression but I am doing my best to think and act my way out of the episodes. It requires great effort though and I am willing to do it to avoid meds and the side effects that go along. I do not want to live in a fuzzy detached state day after day. No one can get me out of this but me . It requires me to take that step to do it. A pill will not work with me. Been there, done that. Me me me. Look how many times I mentioned that word. I had to get away from these thoughts.

Gained about 8 pounds whilst on 20mgsLexapro . I noticed it was the appetite that increased and for a solid month, I ate and ate all the time. Nothing would fill me up and I'd just eat . Then ,I would get sleepy and go to bed. After living like this day after day , I got fed up with the way I was headed so I returned to Celexa . I was still somewhat detached although the appetite problem decreased. Decided I would try life without meds.

So far, so good really. I am better off mentally than I was using the meds. It remains to be seen how I am 6 months from now. If the depression gets to be more than I can handle, I will go back to meds. I must give that effort though to remain med free.
I am very conscious of what I eat ( am also going through menopause) and I do get quite a bit of exercise stocking the retail store. I consider that job a challenge despite not really having to do it for income. . Most people wouldn't want to be this physical . Lousy pay really but the point is to get out of the house, to exercise, to interact with people , and mostly , to force myself into a schedule. Yeah, its tough and I lift alot of heavy things but I am determined I can do this .
I think this job has made a big difference and it keeps the depresssion at bay. I enjoy bantering with customers. It makes me have to think about something else. I intend to keep it until my body says enough of this.

I also know I have a talent for painting which is there whenever I decide I want to do it. Right now, I am fed up trying to compete with cheap imports so I don't feel motivated to produce alot of things. I will though start painting for the holiday season. Look at it more like relaxation rather than income -producing .
So , my thing is trying to work away from the house to stay depression -free and I want to do this without meds. Then use the painting as a relaxation thing when I AM in the house. Just my thoughts written down really. Sorry the post is so long. But I am glad I got to write the thoughts down here on the board. I can go back through the archives and re read if I reach "that point" again.

As far as that weight thing- make it your big goal ( I know you are) but give it the best effort and do not give up . Join a group if you need to . Even a gym to keep you on that schedule. Or if you need a stocking job, I know where you can apply! You won't believe how strong I have become !! And how fast I can move . But it works for me .... an effort rewarded so far.
Hi Donna,
Thank You for the words I have read I am fighting depression at this time and I am trying to do it without meds. I hope I am doing the right thing. This I would have to say is the worst and the hardest thing I have ever gone though. It is nice to here that there are people out here just like me. I know that statement doesnt sound good but I hope yuou know what I mean by it. I found this board today and I it has lifted me up so much. I had back surgery about 6 months ago and along with that has come all of the limatations and then the depression due to the pain and the lack of being able to do things and what I want to do. I may lose my job due to all of this and that was always mt outlet when the world and life would get crazy. This is all very hard. Thank You Kristina
Hi. I haven’t had time to read all the posts in this thread so I’m sorry if I’m saying something someone already said.

Yes being on 6 meds and having your doc want to prescribe yet another is ridiculous.

I’ve been on different meds for over 10 years and luckily haven’t gained any significant amounts of weight on them, but I also workout very regularly so that may have something to do with not gaining weight. I don’t know though. I may have gained on Paxil but I stopped it after 2 months because I got to the point I was so relaxed that I stopped working out and would just sit on my butt on the couch all night. I’m not sure if certain meds slow down peoples metabolism or what, but the weight gain thing is pretty common.

Anyways, good luck to you. Id be a little hesitant to stop taking everything, but its really up to you. Id strongly suggest getting on some type of workout program and really sticking with it. It might help to join a club and get a few sessions with a personal trainer so you can get some good advice on where to start.
Id encourage this because it will help you lose the weight and feel better, and, in my opinion, working out really helps lift depression. I’m not sure why, but many people have reported this, myself included.

If you decide to get back on meds, Id suggest Wellbutrin if you haven’t already tried it. I actually lost weight on in. Ive had problems with compulsive overeating on and off for years. Like I said, I workout a lot so I didn’t gain much weight from the overeating problems, but when I started Wellbutrin, the majority of my compulsion towards food went away and I also found myself craving junk food less and less. Apparantely Wellbutrin effects the receptors in the brain that cause people to crave certain things...food or cigarettes for instance. Wellbutrin also increased my sex drive rather than decrease it like a lot of them do. Of couse, being single at the moment, having an increased sex drive isnt always a good thing :p .

Id also add that if you do start to workout, try not to feel self conscious about your weight when you’re at the gym. I know its easy for me to say, but to be honest, nobody, at least nobody I know, is going to be critical of someone who is overweight at the gym. The most important thing is that you’re there and working on it. Theres a few people at the gym I go to that are extremely overweight and I have a lot of respect for them because I’m guessing they feel self conscious about it, but they’re there everyday working hard to do something about it. Good luck.

Oh, and a note to carrielynn, I read that book for one of my neuroscience classes at school and I agree, it is an interesting book. I think the detox rates depend a lot on the drug and the half-life of the drug. It also depends on how long youve been taking them. I know benzodiazepines (Valium, etc) take several months to get out of your system.
Quote from hrt1:
Hi. I haven’t had time to read all the posts in this thread so I’m sorry if I’m saying something someone already said.

Yes being on 6 meds and having your doc want to prescribe yet another is ridiculous.

I’ve been on different meds for over 10 years and luckily haven’t gained any significant amounts of weight on them, but I also workout very regularly so that may have something to do with not gaining weight. I don’t know though. I may have gained on Paxil but I stopped it after 2 months because I got to the point I was so relaxed that I stopped working out and would just sit on my butt on the couch all night. I’m not sure if certain meds slow down peoples metabolism or what, but the weight gain thing is pretty common.

Anyways, good luck to you. Id be a little hesitant to stop taking everything, but its really up to you. Id strongly suggest getting on some type of workout program and really sticking with it. It might help to join a club and get a few sessions with a personal trainer so you can get some good advice on where to start.
Id encourage this because it will help you lose the weight and feel better, and, in my opinion, working out really helps lift depression. I’m not sure why, but many people have reported this, myself included.

If you decide to get back on meds, Id suggest Wellbutrin if you haven’t already tried it. I actually lost weight on in. Ive had problems with compulsive overeating on and off for years. Like I said, I workout a lot so I didn’t gain much weight from the overeating problems, but when I started Wellbutrin, the majority of my compulsion towards food went away and I also found myself craving junk food less and less. Apparantely Wellbutrin effects the receptors in the brain that cause people to crave certain things...food or cigarettes for instance. Wellbutrin also increased my sex drive rather than decrease it like a lot of them do. Of couse, being single at the moment, having an increased sex drive isnt always a good thing :p .

Id also add that if you do start to workout, try not to feel self conscious about your weight when you’re at the gym. I know its easy for me to say, but to be honest, nobody, at least nobody I know, is going to be critical of someone who is overweight at the gym. The most important thing is that you’re there and working on it. Theres a few people at the gym I go to that are extremely overweight and I have a lot of respect for them because I’m guessing they feel self conscious about it, but they’re there everyday working hard to do something about it. Good luck.

Oh, and a note to carrielynn, I read that book for one of my neuroscience classes at school and I agree, it is an interesting book. I think the detox rates depend a lot on the drug and the half-life of the drug. It also depends on how long youve been taking them. I know benzodiazepines (Valium, etc) take several months to get out of your system.


:wave: Thanks for the info!

Welbutrin was one of the drugs I was taking....

I've been off for 4 months now -- so far so good. I had been dieting and exercising while on all the ADs (or else I'd weigh 500 pounds). I think those meds did something bad to my metabolism. I stopped gaining weight the day I finished tapering off the meds -- and I don't believe in those kind of coincidences. Now I just need to lose it, but I can tell that my body is still making lots of adjustments.
I have been off Paxil for over 4 years and I still haven't lost any of the 50 pounds I gained while I was taking it. Makes me sick to look at myself. Pre-Paxil I weighed 116 pounds. I took it for less than 3 months. I can't understand why I can't lose any weight. :confused:

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.
Quote from Aquamarine4:
I have been off Paxil for over 4 years and I still haven't lost any of the 50 pounds I gained while I was taking it. Makes me sick to look at myself. Pre-Paxil I weighed 116 pounds. I took it for less than 3 months. I can't understand why I can't lose any weight. :confused:

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.


I wish I could understand the weight gain issue with these ADs. I'm trying to lose the weight now that I'm off. If I find something that works -- I'll post it.
I have been off of paxil for a year now and feel much better. I felt really numb when on paxil and would rather get depressed now and then than have the side effects of paxil (including no sex drive).

My sex drive is slowly coming back now and I have lost the extra weight. I do get down sometimes and anxious, but I take an occasional xanax for that.

Also, I noticed since I started on progesterone cream, my depression has lifted, so I think my hormones had something to do with it. ;)
Quote from sickofeffexor:
Good for you -- only you can really know what's best for your body. I don't think this is an easy path, but I do believe it will be worth it.


Great to hear from you SOE, so that I can thank you personally for starting this thread.

I've been telling my friends about this site and this thread, specifically, and what important information I've gained from reading about others' experiences and, unfortunately, their suffering. It's the suffering that gets to me. There has to be a better way, darnit!!

I've started my research tonight, and have read some realy amazing information on medication for depression. I found some books, too, that I'm ordering from my library, and if they're really good (which customer book reviews say they are) then I may buy them eventually.

Here's a quote on SSRI's that kinda blew my mind:

Nothing selective

"The name 'selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor' may also be misleading. These drugs 'select' for serotonin; that is, they don't affect other neurotrans-mitters. But, for that to be a benefit in depression, the implication is that serotonin is localised in a depression centre in the brain. Glenmullen goes to great pains to show that that is not the case. In humans, he explains, only five per cent of serotonin is found in the brain, while the rest is distributed throughout the body. Serotonin plays a significant part in the regulation of the gastro-intestinal tract and the cardiovascular and reproductive systems, as well being involved in controlling a variety of hormones. "While pharmaceutical companies have marketed Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and Luvox as 'selective' for serotonin, serotonin is anything but selective in its widespread effects," says Dr Glenmullen. "There is, in fact, no known depression centre in the brain. Rather, the drugs have global effects owing to serotonin's vast influence." It also appears, from current research which he cites, that, far from topping up low serotonin levels, SSRIs create abnormally high levels of serotonin for which the brain may try to compensate by causing a drop in dopamine levels. This, experts believe, may account for some of the severe side effects being noticed."

Now, isn't that interesting information, and I'm just starting my research!!!

Also, the books I'm referring to as having had really great reviews are two in number and are entitled:

1. Breaking the Patterns of Depression by Michael D.Yapko. Very highly recommended.

and;

2. Undoing Depression : What therapy doesn't teach you and medication can't give you by Richard O'Connor. Given a 5 out of 5, also.

I so appreciate all that everyone has shared at this site, and I hope, in some small way, I can give back.

I know I'm on a long journey, but now I know that I do not journey alone, and this brings me much comfort.

:angel: May your suffering end and your burden lighten, this I ask for each and every one of you from the God of my understanding.

/Maddy