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Just curious if anyone out there has had any experience/suggestions with how to deal with being bi-polar and the law.

Situation:

My boyfriend was diagnosed as bi-polar his senior year of Pre-med and voluntarily checked himself into the hospital because he was yoyo'ing (emotionally) all the time and had classic symptoms.

He was in-patient for 5 days where they did a whole slew of tests and found nothing wrong. They finally decided he was mildly bi-polar and put him on meds and sent him home.

His family treated him like a freak show, thinking he was a mental case. This happened back in 1993. He lost most of his friends due to their ignorance of knowing what bi-polar is and they treated him differently because of it.

His doctors pretty much told him he would never be able to live a normal life, and they signed him up for SSD (social security disability, bi-polar does qualify) and he began living off SSD benefits. People criticized him for being on social security because at first glance, he's perfectly normal.

He's a self-employed in construction and highly intelligent (hence, he was just about to enter med. school when things came crashing down around him). The med. school discouraged him from continuing saying that him being bi-polar may get in the way of professional judgement as a physician....in other words the school pretty much rejected him, as did his family and friends.

He's had virtually no support throughout this whole ordeal. His family and friends and professional colleagues (med school) have labelled him as unstable because of the word bi-polar.

He quit his meds (not sure which ones he was on) because he was tired of being devoid of emotion that his meds caused. He has adjusted well and leads a 95% normal life. The only problem he really has to speak of is restlessness and difficulty sleeping.

He's trying to get off SSD, but because he's self-employed, most of what he does make is written off as business expenses and he doesn't work a full 8-hour day so according to the government it's not substantial income because he's not full time (according to their standards) and they are hindering him being on his own.

He was married and divorced in early 2000 and it didn't work out and they divorced. They have a 3-year-old daughter together and his ex-wife hired a lawyer and her lawyer held his bi-polar condition against him and he lost custody of his daughter because of being bi-polar. His parents have joint custody with his ex-wife and the only way he can see her is if he goes to his parents.

He's considering suing his ex-wife and her lawyer, and the state for civil rights violations. He basically raised her from when she was an infant and his ex-wife went to work, but now that they're divorced, she suddenly claims he's unfit (drama queen).

He has no history of violence and functions fine without meds. His ex-wife is on prozac and other psychological drugs and she has a tendancy to be violent yet she has full custody.

He's in the process of finding a mental-health lawyer to take his case. Finances aren't an issue so hopefully something moves in his favor.

Any suggestions/comments on similiar experiences with the law are appreciated. He wants his daughter back and is willing to take any feedback out there. :)
Quote from kewlgirl:
Just curious if anyone out there has had any experience/suggestions with how to deal with being bi-polar and the law.

Situation:

My boyfriend was diagnosed as bi-polar his senior year of Pre-med and voluntarily checked himself into the hospital because he was yoyo'ing (emotionally) all the time and had classic symptoms.

He was in-patient for 5 days where they did a whole slew of tests and found nothing wrong. They finally decided he was mildly bi-polar and put him on meds and sent him home.

His family treated him like a freak show, thinking he was a mental case. This happened back in 1993. He lost most of his friends due to their ignorance of knowing what bi-polar is and they treated him differently because of it.

His doctors pretty much told him he would never be able to live a normal life, and they signed him up for SSD (social security disability, bi-polar does qualify) and he began living off SSD benefits. People criticized him for being on social security because at first glance, he's perfectly normal.

He's a self-employed in construction and highly intelligent (hence, he was just about to enter med. school when things came crashing down around him). The med. school discouraged him from continuing saying that him being bi-polar may get in the way of professional judgement as a physician....in other words the school pretty much rejected him, as did his family and friends.

He's had virtually no support throughout this whole ordeal. His family and friends and professional colleagues (med school) have labelled him as unstable because of the word bi-polar.

He quit his meds (not sure which ones he was on) because he was tired of being devoid of emotion that his meds caused. He has adjusted well and leads a 95% normal life. The only problem he really has to speak of is restlessness and difficulty sleeping.

He's trying to get off SSD, but because he's self-employed, most of what he does make is written off as business expenses and he doesn't work a full 8-hour day so according to the government it's not substantial income because he's not full time (according to their standards) and they are hindering him being on his own.

He was married and divorced in early 2000 and it didn't work out and they divorced. They have a 3-year-old daughter together and his ex-wife hired a lawyer and her lawyer held his bi-polar condition against him and he lost custody of his daughter because of being bi-polar. His parents have joint custody with his ex-wife and the only way he can see her is if he goes to his parents.

He's considering suing his ex-wife and her lawyer, and the state for civil rights violations. He basically raised her from when she was an infant and his ex-wife went to work, but now that they're divorced, she suddenly claims he's unfit (drama queen).

He has no history of violence and functions fine without meds. His ex-wife is on prozac and other psychological drugs and she has a tendancy to be violent yet she has full custody.

He's in the process of finding a mental-health lawyer to take his case. Finances aren't an issue so hopefully something moves in his favor.

Any suggestions/comments on similiar experiences with the law are appreciated. He wants his daughter back and is willing to take any feedback out there. :)


If he functions fine without meds, couldn't he get a new diagnosis from another doc? Perhaps he is no longer bi-polar....sleep problems can be caused by other things so that's no confirmation of bi-polar so if that's all he has, he is probably just fine. THe brain can recover/change over time, he may not be bi-polar at all now!

A question as to whether or not he is bipolar anymore may prove to be in his favor if he can find a doc who wouldn't pre-judge because of his former mental health history and only evaluate him on his current condition.
Quote from ManiMe:
Concerning a reversing diagnosis ~

There's a degree of what could be called "professional courtesy" out there. Since a diagnosis is such a judgement call any way - it would shed doubt on the legitimacy of such "things" if psychiatrists went around discounting each others' diagnoses.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

They might modify and change the DSM-IV descriptors ~ but overall you're not likely to get anyone to claim you're "cured", as by definition IT AIN'T POSSIBLE (if indeed it's a physical and genetically wired condition). At the very most they'd probably claim you've stabilized and just haven't experienced a notable departure for quite some time.



Personally - my own wife had attended a session in which my original diagnosing Pdoc said he was now considering if indeed I might NOT be Bi-Polar after all (as in, perhaps major triggering events had just resulted in quasi-normal reactions). One factor was that ALL medication attempts seemed to have about the opposite of the intended effects. Well - when I brought it up at our next session - he denied he'd ever said those words - and used my statement as further proof of delusional thinking !!!!!! My wife was shocked. I wasn't. Never trust a fool with power. In general, I tend not to trust. We still don't have an objective test for "fools", either.


I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but I don't think that's the path to success. Also - if you vaporize your already approved SSDI status - and THEN have an "event" - you'll probably have to start all over again with the frustration of the approval process.

I'd tread softly.


PS ~ (in edit) ~ 31 years ago, I fought a battle for a female friend. An OB-GYN head of department totally "blew" his diagnosis of her and her status. I absolutely KNEW he was wrong. He treated us both like ignoramuses. I went over his head to the Director of the Hospital, who finally agreed to examine her himself (as he'd been an OB man) and I had threatened to take it to higher levels (as I had worked on a certain Senator's campaign). It turned out that I was right and the first doc was wrong. BUT, to save face, the Director agreed NOT to reverse the original diagnosis - but rather modify it only slightly so that decorum could be maintained. That's what you're up against.




If this is the case, I guess deception is in order here! I don't know how kewlgirls' boyfriend feels about that, but I'm sure not above it....hey when you get to be 47 and people have screwed you over, you get over such things as honesty...well, I'm not an outright lying sort but I'd lie if it meant getting my child back for sure!


Do you suppose her boyfriend could go to a brand new doctor and NOT disclose to him his former psychiatric history? I mean, he could say he's been a little stressed and would like to have a check-up to make sure he is ok or maybe just thought he needed some advice?

I mean, lots of mildly depressed or mildly stressed people go seek counseling! So that wouldn't be too hard to sell.

Perhaps he can get a doc who will just diagnois him with only stress (that would be easy/logical since sleeping problems are usually considered stress-related) or even just mild depression....these two things are a world apart from the notorious bi-polar label.

Now, as I understand it, if the boyfriend were to give NO past doctor references, the new doc could not find out about his past because a patient must sign for release of their medical records to a second party, right? So the new doc would have no access to them.

He should go to a psychiatrist though because I know psychologists are not medical and maybe wouldn't have the same clot with a diagnosis.

I would think once he got a new, " better" diagnosis like mild stress or depression, that could also help him. Bipolar is considered more dangerous a problem whereas almost everyone these days has stress and depression so really, nobody really would consider that on the same level as bi-polar....according to kewgirl, even his ex has been diagnoised with either anxiety or depression... ..obviously, since she's on Prozac!

Seems the law doesn't consider her much of a problem, right?

I'd go for it if I was him; he'd be no worse off if it didn't work......this is war.....
He should not feel bad and I have had the same response. I was a locomotive engineer until my illness disrupted my life. I now am recieveing Railroad Disability and I often yo-yo. I am currently on Lithium and Trileptal and taking college courses on line to avoid problems with people when my illness flairs up. Tell him to keep his head up :)
Quote from kewlgirl:
Just curious if anyone out there has had any experience/suggestions with how to deal with being bi-polar and the law.

Situation:

My boyfriend was diagnosed as bi-polar his senior year of Pre-med and voluntarily checked himself into the hospital because he was yoyo'ing (emotionally) all the time and had classic symptoms.

He was in-patient for 5 days where they did a whole slew of tests and found nothing wrong. They finally decided he was mildly bi-polar and put him on meds and sent him home.

His family treated him like a freak show, thinking he was a mental case. This happened back in 1993. He lost most of his friends due to their ignorance of knowing what bi-polar is and they treated him differently because of it.

His doctors pretty much told him he would never be able to live a normal life, and they signed him up for SSD (social security disability, bi-polar does qualify) and he began living off SSD benefits. People criticized him for being on social security because at first glance, he's perfectly normal.

He's a self-employed in construction and highly intelligent (hence, he was just about to enter med. school when things came crashing down around him). The med. school discouraged him from continuing saying that him being bi-polar may get in the way of professional judgement as a physician....in other words the school pretty much rejected him, as did his family and friends.

He's had virtually no support throughout this whole ordeal. His family and friends and professional colleagues (med school) have labelled him as unstable because of the word bi-polar.

He quit his meds (not sure which ones he was on) because he was tired of being devoid of emotion that his meds caused. He has adjusted well and leads a 95% normal life. The only problem he really has to speak of is restlessness and difficulty sleeping.

He's trying to get off SSD, but because he's self-employed, most of what he does make is written off as business expenses and he doesn't work a full 8-hour day so according to the government it's not substantial income because he's not full time (according to their standards) and they are hindering him being on his own.

He was married and divorced in early 2000 and it didn't work out and they divorced. They have a 3-year-old daughter together and his ex-wife hired a lawyer and her lawyer held his bi-polar condition against him and he lost custody of his daughter because of being bi-polar. His parents have joint custody with his ex-wife and the only way he can see her is if he goes to his parents.

He's considering suing his ex-wife and her lawyer, and the state for civil rights violations. He basically raised her from when she was an infant and his ex-wife went to work, but now that they're divorced, she suddenly claims he's unfit (drama queen).

He has no history of violence and functions fine without meds. His ex-wife is on prozac and other psychological drugs and she has a tendancy to be violent yet she has full custody.

He's in the process of finding a mental-health lawyer to take his case. Finances aren't an issue so hopefully something moves in his favor.

Any suggestions/comments on similiar experiences with the law are appreciated. He wants his daughter back and is willing to take any feedback out there. :)