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Quote from mb100:
Hey ouch,

Did he give you pain meds? No point in suffering....

You might want to get a copy of your MRI report too. I've got all of my films and reports to go with them. They'll come in handy if you ever need to go to a different Dr. My Dr. threw out my original films after surgery. I was not happy, I bought a second set from the place that did the MRI. From that time to now, I made sure none of them got lost. I had a CT scan that I got a copy of on disc, Shows you the fusion like nothing else will. Interesting stuff.

The chest pain was a new one on me. But not a surprise by any stretch, I've heard of, and had, a slew of symptoms.

Anyway, take it easy and I hope you feel better.

Mike


Yea - I have a mix of different mediciines...

Skelaxin, Percoet... None of those seem to do much.

I did try a Valium 5mg a few hours ago and that helped prior to the MRI.

I'm sure laying on that hard thing for an hour straight put me back in pain again, but I *DID* have two nice hours of relief. Took it down from an 8 to a 2 on the pain level.

Perhaps there is something to be said there...
Quote from mb100:
Call the doc for a stronger drug if you have to. Dont sweat it, you wont get addicted if you have genuine pain. Anyone on here will tell you the same. Make yourself comfortable as possible, not at the keyboard I would guess???

Take it easy

Mike


Yea - the valium seems to be a big help - waiting for my next dose at 6 to confirm :)

And I just happen to walk by the computer - not spending hours at it (although it may seem so the way I have been posting...)

Perhaps I could use an extended break....
Quote from mb100:
Ouch,

I agree with Dennis about not going too fast.

But the once you start, dont stop with therapy I'll caution you a little. I hurt myself a few weeks in and I just kept on a goin. Big mistake. I either blew out another disc, or thats when my fusion broke loose, one or the other, maybe even both. That was confirmed by an orthopedic surgeon that did an Independent medical exam. But the therapist and the doc said that kind of pain was normal, so I kept going. I got a letter about an hour ago that my second surgery (cervical) was finally OK'd. I dont know whether to laugh or cry, ya know. It took a long time.

When something doesnt feel right you better question it. I was actually suprised they sent you for an MRI this quick. I waited 18 months post op.

Take it slow Mike


All noted!!!! :)

I'm just going to try the simple things - walking at least 30 - 40 mins (even if I have to break it up) a day and see if that helps get my body healing.

I think the miracle stories and the false expectations that I had from my NS made me feel like I was simply crazy for being as bad as I am...

Now that I am trying to take a slightly different attitude and swapping my percocet which did nothing for me for 5mg 3x of Valium + tylenol... Things are much more bearable.

I'm not ready to dance and sing yet, but ... It seems to be helping if nothing else!
All,

I can't begin to thank each and every one of you for your support and advice throughout this post op pain.

What was once a constant 8, has now migrated to a 2-6 over the course of the day.

So what am I doing?

1000mg Tylenol 3x day (usually)
5mg Valium 2x day (usually)
HECK of a lot of heat / ice (15 on, 15 off)

Is the pain still there? Yup. Do I feel like I see a light at the end of the tunnel?? I HESITATE (fear of a jinx? :D) to say yes.... But... I have to say so!

Again, thank you one and all.

I think the above 3 things and everyones support is what has made me get to where I am today.

Perhaps not having the collar on has attributed to it as well. Not sure, but I'm just sticking with what I got goin on!

I have had a small bout of a level 8 pain here and there, but it either does not last as long or is controlled MUCH more than before!
I went to my doc today--four weeks post op for double ACDF for c4-5 and c5-6. I mentioned in another thread yesterday that I am in a lot more pain and have lot more numbness than before surgery. He showed me the xrays and said everything looked good as far as the fusion and spacing (like I have anything to compare his analysis to).

Anyway, I think he bleieved I was still in pain--would not refill my percocets but gave me lortab instead, not sure if they will work or not, but the percocet barely touches the pain. Wouldn't give me valium. At a cost to my insurer of $30K for this procedure, I would think the docs woulnd't be so stingy with the meds.

He didn;t have any answers really why I still have so much pain and numbness (my entire left hand is 100% pins and needles 24 x 7). The only thing he mentioned was that my smoking was potenitally to blame, that this could delay the fusion or even prevent it--never told me this prior to surgery or after surgery, just now, 4 weeks later. But then again he said the fusion looked like it was going OK--like I said, no real answers. I am not really upset nor do I blame hm for anything, he is a pretty good guy, but I think the expectations he set prior to surgery were way too rosy.

He said to take it eady for another month and see what happens--he said I may have to do PT which is a bummer, but oh well, I guess I will start analyzing the pain and numbness on a weekly basis and keep a log of the apina nd numbness to see if it improving at all week over week. Thanks to all who replied on the other thread.
Quote from jjmaxx:
I went to my doc today--four weeks post op for double ACDF for c4-5 and c5-6. I mentioned in another thread yesterday that I am in a lot more pain and have lot more numbness than before surgery. He showed me the xrays and said everything looked good as far as the fusion and spacing (like I have anything to compare his analysis to).

Anyway, I think he bleieved I was still in pain--would not refill my percocets but gave me lortab instead, not sure if they will work or not, but the percocet barely touches the pain. Wouldn't give me valium. At a cost to my insurer of $30K for this procedure, I would think the docs woulnd't be so stingy with the meds.

He didn;t have any answers really why I still have so much pain and numbness (my entire left hand is 100% pins and needles 24 x 7). The only thing he mentioned was that my smoking was potenitally to blame, that this could delay the fusion or even prevent it--never told me this prior to surgery or after surgery, just now, 4 weeks later. But then again he said the fusion looked like it was going OK--like I said, no real answers. I am not really upset nor do I blame hm for anything, he is a pretty good guy, but I think the expectations he set prior to surgery were way too rosy.

He said to take it eady for another month and see what happens--he said I may have to do PT which is a bummer, but oh well, I guess I will start analyzing the pain and numbness on a weekly basis and keep a log of the apina nd numbness to see if it improving at all week over week. Thanks to all who replied on the other thread.


First off - I am not a doctor... Only play one on the internet. From everything that I have read, you REALLY want to stay away from the smokes at LEAST for the benefit for the fusion. I'm sure I don't need to say anything else, so I won't.

From there, I do have to say from a lot of my other readings... Your NS is not unlike many others. They generally (mine included) are good at what they do - surgery. They are not too good on the pain and understanding. Of course, there are exceptions, but they seem to be far and few. Personally, I would rather feel confident I picked a NS who did the job right than someone that can deal with me on a personable level but...

You are not the only one that I have seen with a Lortab script so I don't think you are too off there. I don't have one myself, but perhaps I will when I see my guy on April 6th.

All in all, I say take it easy like he said and look for small improvements day to day. Don't get up in the morning and hope to be cured. Unfortunately, in your case (and mine), we did not get that instant benefit! But, I do see improvements now day to day - albeit VERY small. Just look for them!

(and BTW - our pain sounds similar... percocet NEVER touched it for me. just made me feel like crap. Perhaps your problem is more muscle related... If the lortab is muscle stuff, that is good. If not, maybe ask for something more muscle relaxant related?)

Good luck!
Quote from ember919:
hey, I know I'm jumping in rather late, but still wanted to comment. acdfouch - i have had occasional problems with chest pain, too. i was very freaked out the first time or two it happened, but suspected pretty quickly that it was neck-related. i have had some slight facial numbness at times, too.

i tend to get these particular symptoms when i've been (oops) typing for too long. luckily, in my case, simple rest usually alleviates the problem.

after i'd had the chest pain thing a few times, i started looking around and found this little animation that illustrated the radiculopathy symptoms associated with each cervical level. the C5/6/7 areas shown were right on target for me.

[url]http://www.laserspineinstitute.com/Laser_Spine_Cervical_Radiculopathy.aspx[/url]

i think you were the first i saw to mention chest pain and facial numbness, so i was glad to see your post.

i was really surprised, however, to see you mention taking motrin after surgery? although i know there is still some controversy, i believe it's generally thought that nsaids (and possibly the newer cox-2 inhibitors) delay bone healing, and that they're specifically contraindicated in fusion cases. everyone (i.e., assorted docs & surgeons) told me i'd have to avoid them for three months after surgery.

anyone else on this?

i'm about a week away from my surgery date and it's been very interesting reading all the post-surgical comments from both those who, like you, are right out of surgery and those who are the longer-term "veterans". having some idea of what to expect has brought me much more comfort and confidence.

unlike some others here, my ortho doc had been suggesting surgery for a couple of years, but i pretty much shut him down every time he brought it up. i had met with one surgeon about three years ago, before i started seeing the ortho, who said, literally, "yeah, i can operate on you. with your mri, your insurance will cover it with no problem. will it help? maybe yes, maybe no. you'll just have to wait until after surgery to see."

i didn't leave there with much confidence in my surgical options.

in december of last year, things took a turn for the worse and my doc pretty much said, "look, you've reached the point where you have no choice". without all the information and advice i've had access to online, i'd have certainly gone in kicking and screaming all the way.

my current surgeon told me almost word for word what mb100 heard:

"My surgeon said with the extent of my neurological impairment before surgery it was likely that I would have some permanent nerve damage. He also said this type of surgery did not guarantee that the pain would go away.
He did say that 95% of the relief/recovery from symptoms would happen immediately after surgery, with the other 5% coming over time."

that was certainly better than "we'll see".

look forward to hearing more about your recovery experience and progress, and willl certainly be hoping for the best of outcomes for you.

as always, thanks to everyone for your posts here.


Cheers and a half!!!

A terrific post and it sounds as if you do indeed have very similar symptoms.

What specifically did your MRI show? Where are your problem nerves? Etc?

As far as how I am doing today?

Well, I am VERY happy to say that I continue to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I am not without my valium 5mg or tylenol 1000mg, but I ACTUALLY have times of little to no pain. It is just an incredible feeling.

Perhaps my situation was one of the bad ones... I had a pretty bad MRI writeup. I'll see if I can dig out my copy and post it for others to see.

And in regards to the motrin - apparently there is not evidence stating 110% that it is the cause of fusion failure HOWEVER I only took it twice during the entire proccess and the realm of unknown is just not worth the obvious risks and problems down the road.

So, I don't take it - at all.

Best of luck to you and please keep an eye on my thread.

I will try my best to inform others of my progress and hopeful success!
Quote from mb100:
Hey Ouch,

I assume that MRI was the one before surgery. I've had 3 and your's had more detail than any 2 of mine. You didn't mention any symptoms on the right that I remember did you? Alot of folks have issues like your's on the right and dont present with any symptoms. My latest one shows a herniated disc pressing on the spinal cord at c-3/4 and 3 docs say to leave it for now. It also reports another herniation at c-6/7 where there is no disc, only a failed fusion.

Interesting stuff aint it?

I've never seen an EMG report so thats a new one on me. I'll have to do a little research......

Let us know if you get the latest MRI report. Hope I'm not being too nosy.

Glad to hear you're feeling better.

Take it slow, Mike


Yup.

This is the one before the surgery.

I might try and pick up the one post surgery today...

I'd love to have them fax it to me, but I don't think they do that.

Ugh.

And yea - the valium does wonders for the pain somehow.... Just wish it lasted a little longer.
They faxed one to me, as well as another place faxed me the report from my ct scan. Funny, they told me I couldnt have a copy of my ct films. But I went in there prepared to argue with them and the guy gave them up (on a cd) no questions asked, when I asked him about it he said they dont like to give any info on the phone. Whatever that meant.

I heard someone else mention valium for pain. Glad it's workin for you.
Quote from mb100:
They faxed one to me, as well as another place faxed me the report from my ct scan. Funny, they told me I couldnt have a copy of my ct films. But I went in there prepared to argue with them and the guy gave them up (on a cd) no questions asked, when I asked him about it he said they dont like to give any info on the phone. Whatever that meant.

I heard someone else mention valium for pain. Glad it's workin for you.


I think the info over the phone thing is due to all the privacy stuff from HIP(P?)A... Probably all that is.

I'm trying to get my MRI place to fax me a copy of the post op MRI.

I'll put it up if I get it!
Quote from mb100:
Hey Ouch,

Is that scar tissue or swelling indicated on the MRI? You said the doc wasnt worried about it, but that he hadnt seen the films yet is that right? Hey, you're on the mend so it cant be too bad. Wonder if the doc will have a different opinion when he see's the pics.

Hey Funny,

Havent heard an update lately, how ya doin?

Mike


Welp, what I wrote is what the MRI results show. Granted, that was read by a generic .... MRI reader person. My NS (many of you may find this surprising to some degree at this point) is a top doc not only in my area but in all of US ... So... He REALLY wants to read it for himself - just to be assured of what it truely shows. He was not however concerned about the scar tissue based off of the reading alone.

And the reason I named it scar tissue is that is the... laymans term ... for the granular tissue. Its basically scar tissue. It also happens after ALL spine surgerys. People just don't know it bc they typically only get Xrays after. You need an MRI with contrast to see it ... So.. I'm MUCH less concerned than I was before. I think I was jumping to conclusions on my own (bad bad bad thing).

Matter of fact, I feel a lot better than I had when I originally started this thread... I haven't had a valium today either... So... I think (hope?) that I just had a VERY bad herniation (which my NS confirmed originally) and he probably had to get in there and really work me out to fix it the best he could... So.... I had a longer recovery than others.

Perhaps.

At least thats my hopes! :)

(I have gone from 24x7 pain to having hours at a time of just "waiting for it to kick in"... Feels GREAT!)

I hope others out there either getting the surgery / in the midst of it / etc in pain are finding help with my thread!!!

I am trying to do my best to post as often and as realisitc as possible.
Just thought I would chime in for my little update today.

Been a rougher one - lots of spasms, but everything is certainly better than it was the previous week.

Off to do some more heat / ice!

(and I am off the valium 5mg as of the past two days... I am going back to the skelaxin to see if I can get enough relief with just that... So far, not too bad. I'm in pain, but its managable. No way I could have done this a couple of weeks ago!)