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ChristinaD,

Hi! :wave:

I've done a search on Facet Joints and yours came up. How did you know that your pain was from the facet joints? What makes it different pain than, say, disc tear? or herniation?

I went to new doc @ Cleveland Clinic today and he has ordered a facet joint injection for July 29th and I'm beginning my search on what it is/what are facet joints/how much pain should I expect.... you know the drill - I'm sure ;)!

Any help w/b appreciated! (from Anyone - I just happened to see ChristinaD's thread!)

TIA

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)
Thanks, Chelley, for your informative response! Yes, that helps quite a bit.

The doc also did alot of twisting while his finger was on my tender spot (just above/on right dimple in back) today and would ask me if the twisting made it worse/better, etc. Twisting to my left made it worse.. to my right actually felt better (?) that didn't make much sense to me.

He kind of disregarded the fact that the discogram showed a tear... I think bcuz that doc said it didn't replicate my pain. I think I was oversedated and my regular pm doc kind of agrees (he said there's a significant leak onto nerve). That's why I went to Cleveland Clinic for consult. I'm happy to follow through w/ elimination procedures hoping that this will be 'the one' that will save me from going thru any surgery.

I've had 3 epidural injections: 2 rt foraminal and 1 lumbar. They didn't work. The lumbar Did relieve some of the tailbone pain for a few days. I was most sore w/ the first one. Really hard to sit for the first day.

I'll explain my pain a bit to you and see if you think this is similar to your joint pain and/or disc pain.

Very tender when pushing on lumbar discs, tailbone and right hip bone, and pubic bone.Muscle soreness right thigh (not pain). Numb right foot (on top) - intermittent stabbing tingles in both insteps and big toes. The big toes are Painful jabs.

My right hip has always felt like it was fused even as a little girl. I was VERY active in sports, gymnastics, ballet, you name it - I did it. I could NEVER do the lotus position w/ my right leg... it just wouldn't go that far. When I gave birth to my oldest, I felt like that fuse was broken. That also coincides w/ the beginning of my pain. I always had some tenderness in my right dimple area - flare ups if I really pushed myself... but, nothing compared to what I've dealt w/ the last 2-1/2 yrs.

The back pain is like constant throbbing pressure in the tailbone and in right buttock and hip. I've started having left side nerve things in the last 2 weeks.

Ok... if you have any ideas, I'm listening. Thank you for the other info - now I have to run as my 17 mo old is demanding my attention, as usual! :)

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)
Chelley - thanks again.

As for my nerve problem/disc prob... the doc said he's not treating 'films' - if the facet joint injection doesn't do it, he is doing repeat discogram. I Promise I won't let him just ignore my nerve issues. Thanks! I told him that I am Fine with that as I want to know what the deal is. When the first doc looked @ me (before the Dept Head came in yesterday) - he said 'explain your pain'. I had written everything down (cuz I knew I'd forget:rolling :) I told him about the tender spots, the painful spots and the tingling spots. He asked me if I ever felt like I was 'walking on cotton?' I said no... just like there are fuzzies under my toes sometimes, stabbing tingling in insteps, & painful jabs in toes. Ooops, I forgot to tell him about 'chill-like sensations up my shins' - I just said tingling, oh well. Anyway, he said "ok, it hasn't gotten that far yet." So, I think they're aware of nerve problems, but will try to get the pain thing out of the way, and see if that doesn't help? :(

But, if facet joint thing is NOT it... he's doing repeat discogram. He, Dr. Negy Mikhail, is supposedly the best in the region for doing/reading discograms. I really think we'll end up there. I want to say one thing that I read somewhere in my research about discograms. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE TREATING DOCTOR DO THE DISCOGRAM AS THEY'VE BEEN TREATING THE PATIENT FOR THE PAIN AND KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. I think that could've been one of the probs w/ my first disco. My regular pm doc is Not an anesthesiologist, so does Not perform the ESIs or Discograms. One of his colleagues does that. I have told every doc I've gone to that my Pain does NOT travel down my LEG. My right thigh is just sore muscles. The ONLY docs to get this are my PM doc and Dr. Mikhail. So... the first two ESI's I had (Rt. transforaminal) were useless [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/bang.gif[/img] The 3rd one, lumbar, gave me alittle relief, but for short time.

cj - I will keep this updated as I go along to the Facet Joint injection on 7/29! Happy to share any new info I come across! Too bad Harry Potter isn't around to wave his wand and say "Reparo" :D ok.... I've been reading the newest one.... but, wouldn't it be nice?

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)

[This message has been edited by mokita (edited 07-09-2003).]
oh darn it.... I just lost everything I had typed!

Oh, well... here goes Again!

Christina - I can relate to the tenderness near spine and on dimple. I was just pushing on them to see how many are involved... it feels like the lowest 6 or 7 with the bottom 4 being the worse. I can twist and lift things - which is good as I have 2-1/2 yr old and 17 mo old girls! :) There are times that I pick up my youngest and BAM - my back or hip catch, I yelp, and try not to cry in front of them. :(

I feel best when I'm lying down after about an hour of back pain and tingling/shooting feelings in feet/insteps/toes that subsides after awhile. But, I can't lie around all day, which is exactly what the doc said yesterday. He said we have to get me to where I can be up around and playing w/ my children. I am very happy that he is working w/ me, as my regular pm doc also is, to find out what is going on.

This is the first that anyone has mentioned facet joints, so - I am curious to see how much it helps (if at all). I think perhaps it is partly the facet joints.... but, also the torn disc. I did ask him yesterday if 'it could heal itself' and he enthusiastically said ' YES... it just takes time. That is the same thing you have said... and I am inclined to do just that.... give it time and hope for the best! In the meantime, I want a definite answer to what's causing the pain. Sounds so simple, yes? How funny [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] ;)

Glad to see that you're getting a second opinion. When is your appt? What kind of doc are you seeing?

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)
Thanks Linda! I Do feel like I'm at least heading in the right direction! :)

BTW... I don't know if I mentioned.. but this Doc thinks my problems are two-fold. 1) The back, he's going to try Facet injetion. 2) The tailbone pain he thinks c/b from childbirth 9/00. He wants an xray of coccyx. Well, I didn't have it done on Tuesday as I really believed I already had one done (it Has been over 2 years, and I know I've had at least 3 xrays). Well, guess what? No coccyx xray! :eek: So... I called secty today and asked if they could fax order to my town as I'm 50 miles East of Cleveland. I'm very interested to see what it will say! I have to take that w/ me when I go back for injection, 7/29.

I did pick up two of the other xrays... one was pelvis & rt. hip... the other was lumbar & rt hip. Nothing too wierd... but, they did say minimal dextroscoliosis. Well, guess I'll add that to my list of things to research! I have not a clue as to what the dextro is!... am wondering if this was the beginning of my straightening of the lordosis!? Anyway.... one more step in the right direction, I suppose!

You've decided to drop the wc case? Are you comfortable with that? Do you have insurance to cover your ongoing medical issues? I hope so... let me know! [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/love1.gif[/img]

take good care!

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)
Hi Telzey!

You can jump in any old time you want!!! :)

The part about something 'sticking out' doesn't sound like what I've read about facet joint. But, keep in mind, I Just Started researching it Tuesday 7/8 after my appt! So, I am absolutely no expert! ;) I WILL say that the pain you're describing DOES look like something I've read. It can go into buttock and down Back of thigh - never going beyond the knee!! So... maybe you can do a search on facet joint and/or facet joint injection - and see what you come up with!

It w/b great if your PT is right! I'm still convinced that much of my problem is the tear @ L4. There's just too much tingling/numb stuff going on in my feet and up my shins. I c/b wrong.... I hope I am! I hope the facet joint injection & whatever he has planned for my tailbone :eek: will take care of ALL my pain. Dang.... wish I was naive as I used to be!!! lmao

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone thing may be from displacement - wants x-ray (think I've had one - have to track it down!)
Christina..... ouch!

I don't have the bone thing, sorry. My tailbone problem, however, feels like I'm sitting on a flagpole sometimes! :eek: Nice, huh?

I went for follow-up today w/ my reg. PM Doc. He changed my BT from the ultracet (which just doesn't work but, I asked to be returned to cuz the Vicodin made me sooo agitated) to percocet 2xday. I am in less pain after taking one @ 11:30.... am a little fuzzy headed. I am hoping that will pass after a few days (like the vicodin did).

I told him about my consult w/ the Dept Head - that we will be doing facet jt injection and, if that doesn't work, a repeat discogram. My doc said, well.... I believe that's where we'll be headed. So, that's that. I have to go get my xray of coccyx this afternoon so that I can take it w/ me to Cleve Clinic.

BTW Dr. T, my doc, asked to have my 7/29 appt chgd to earlier as I'm in such pain and for a Mon/Wed so that he c/b there to follow up w/ me (rather than me drive in Again another day) - so, my Facet Injection is Now scheduled for 7/28 @ 3:00 pm! That's gonna be a rough day as they don't want me taking any pain meds til after. The secty said they want me in pain.... I told her that waiting that long..... I promise I'll cooperate and be in pain :D

I hope you get some help on the 29th, Christina! It stinks to be in pain AND not know what is causing it. It's such a long, drawn out ordeal. I am just happy that I'm finally moving forward and will hopefully have some real answers by the time summer is ended. Then, maybe some Real decisions can be reached as to how we proceed w/ my treatment.

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone prob is dif issue - wants x-ray - THOUGHT I had one - didn't!! They are ordering.
I was wondering what they'll do if something amiss w/ the tailbone???? Any ideas, ladies?

I have read where they can safely remove the tip of the tailbone if that's what's causing pain. Why I say 'safely' is there are very few nerves down there and I think that's one of the Biggie Risks of all other back surgeries.

The downside of that, they say, is it could take a year to feel better. A Year??? :eek: Big Whooopie! [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] It's Been 2 going on 3 in September....

Hope this evening finds you all as comfortable as possible enjoying the little things in life... like fireflies! :) Well, I'd be enjoying them if it wasn't 64 degrees out and rainy! :mad: What happened to Summer? It was only here for a couple of weeks!!! Oh.... I know..... it's in Arizona! ;)

ttyl

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone prob is dif issue - wants x-ray - THOUGHT I had one - didn't!! They are ordering.
Thanks, Telzey! [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/heart.gif[/img]

Just waiting for 8 o'clock to roll around! :)

Will let you know!

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone prob is dif issue - wants x-ray - THOUGHT I had one - didn't!! They are ordering.
Hi eeyoretigger! :wave:

I have a couple of questions for you about your condition. I'm thinking a couple of different things... and I hope I don't make it more confusing! ;)

1) Have you had a discogram? If not, before I would commit to an IDET w/ questionable pain generator (is it REALLY the tear? or something else going on?) I would insist on discogram.
2) When you had the sacrococcygeal injection, you say 'the only thing it did was enable you to pinpoint pain instead of an all-over pain - Does this mean that you had Some pain relief? If so, was it in the tailbone area?

I had 3 ESI's - 2 RT Transforaminal (no help) and 1 lumbosacral. The last didn't help my 'all the time pain' but, it DID numb my tailbone for a couple of days. This was significant in my CleveCl doc suggesting I have TWO issues w/ my pain vs One. So.. I had XRAY and, sure enough, my tailbone is displaced. Don't know what we'll do yet about it. There are several treatments I have seen online including A) injection of anesthetic to numb... then manipulate back into place (OUCH :eek :) B) actually remove tip of tailbone. There are others and I'm sure each is decided upon based on individual circumstances.

3) As for the pain you've been experiencing more in the last few weeks, in the hip/leg/buttock, that sounds like it c/b facet joints. You say you've had many injections, was Facet Joints one of them?

4) When you ask if your tear c/b causing the tailbone pain? If the inside of your disc is leaking onto nerves that are around your tailbone (and w/ an L5 or an S1 leak - that's entirely possible) Yes... it c/b causing your pain. But, without a discogram, will you know for sure? Do you really want someone going in to do an IDET thinking "Hey - I really think this Might work, but... maybe not. [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/confused.gif[/img] But, worth a try!"
Personally, I would have to be Convinced that my pain was Definitely a disc before I let someone cut on me bcuz of even an 'educated' guess. :)

Hope this helps a little. When do you see doc next?

Good luck! [img]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/love1.gif[/img]

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnancy, weight gain didn't help
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD, neural foramen involved, Superior aspect S1 and L5 Nerve root involvement -Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Performing doc oversedated, False Negative (pm doc & I agree)
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8 to discuss possible new discogram/IDET candidacy
7/8-Doc ordered Facet Joint nerve block for 7/29 to rule out/identify as pain generator. If not, new discogram.
Also, thinks tailbone prob is dif issue - wants x-ray - THOUGHT I had one - didn't!! They are ordering.

[This message has been edited by mokita (edited 07-19-2003).]
Hi Mokita!
Thanks for responding
Yes I did have a discogram. During the discogram and on the films from it no tear is visible. It was only from the CTscan that I had right afterwards that the tear is visible. All doctors say it's not a terribly big tear compared to others but it is leaking nonetheless.
As for my injection at the saccrococcygeal joint, prior to it my pain was all over the lower back. Afterwards it was in a few distinct locations. The entire tailbone area (sorry to term it this way but i'm not sure how else to say it, the entire bit that's between my lower set of cheeks), and right by both SI joints, and when presses the areas by L4-L5, L5-S1.
Unfortunately the injection didn't seem to make the pain itself any better, though I guess it being in a few areas rather than the entire area is better.

After that injection I had an SI injection on my left side. The doctor said that if I wanted the right done too he would at the same time to spare me having to do it again but I don't think I was given enough sedation and it hurt way too bad to lay there for another half hour while he did the other side. The injection didn't help anyway, in fact it almost seems to have made the pain slightly worse.

You said that you thought my pain the last couple weeks sounds like facet joint. My MRI I had done early one said something about degenerative change at the left facet joint at L4-L5. None of my doctors have been too concerned with that though.

Unfortunately I don't go back to my regular doctor until August 14th. It's going to be a LONG wait, especially since I had to stop taking vicodin to help me with my pain. It started getting to my stomach too bad. I take oxycontin at night and in the morning but I honestly can't tell that it's doing anything. Being off the vicodin is going to make working (even though only part-time) mighty difficult!!!

You said in an earlier posting that you're going to Cleveland Clinic...would you recommend that place? Here in Fort Wayne I haven't been overly impressed by my doctors and don't think they have the most experience with different treatments, especially if I do go with IDET.

Thanks!!!!
Hi Eeyoretigger!

Yes, I would definitely recommend Cleveland Clinic! I am seeing Dr. E. David Thomas out of the Mayfield office (Hillcrest Hospital) and, Now I am also seeing Dr. Nagy Mikhail. He is the one who suggested trying the facet joint injection. If THAT doesn't work, we'll be doing another discogram (which I rather think w/b happening and so does Dr. T).

I really have alot of faith in these doctors to find out what is causing my pain. Fort Wayne isn't horribly far, it it?

As for not taking the vicodin. You say that you're on oxy 2xday - I am, too. But, I take percocet for Break Through. Didn't they give you anything for that? Has your stomach pain progressed to the point where you're not able to take Any APAP? If not, perhaps you could ask about using the vicodin for BT. And, if not that, there are other alternatives that have little to no acetaminophen.

I hope this helps a little! :)

Karen
Mokita,
The vicodin was for the breakthrough pain, which after a few hours of working (pretty much just standing and typing since I can't sit)I need. Or after doing other various activities....
The past it's gotten to where I start vomiting about an hour or two after taking it. When I told my doctor he said to stop taking it and if my stomach pain persists to contact my family doctor because perhaps the vicodin has given my ulcers. I told him I'm fine when I don't take it. But he said to just stop it and that he didn't want to give me anything else for breakthrough pain until he see me again which isn't until the 14th. So now I either have to deal with my stomach or live with the back pain....

Thanks for the doctor names. I'll have to see about getting in there. My other alternative is Chicago and that's about the same distance.

Thanks!!!