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First, I am very sorry to hear about the trajedy your family and your brother have gone through. I am sure that this overdose is just the peak of what has been a very hellish three years for your family. I wish more kids understood that drug don't always kill you. A lot of kids don't understand death. However, sometimes drugs DON'T kill you, sometimes they just destroy you and leave you crippled or comatose or half-alive forever.

You asked "What do we think of drug pushers?". Oh boy, I can see this is going to be a huge thread.

Can we include the big drug manufacturers in the catagory of drug pushers? I believe companies like Purdue Pharma and others who make oxycontin, vicodin, etc are pushers just as guilty as the pushers on the street. They know that a huge portion of their drug production is going to people like your brother (addicted to Oxy) who are using and addicted to the drugs they produce. These companies make feeble attempts to show some kind of concern, but spend much more money and effort lobbying the FDA and law makers to keep the doors open for their drugs to flow freely to the public.

So what do you think about the drug manufacturers who are the source of some of the worst problem drugs in USA history like Oxy and Vicodin?
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First, I am very sorry to hear about the trajedy your family and your brother have gone through. I am sure that this overdose is just the peak of what has been a very hellish three years for your family. I wish more kids understood that drug don't always kill you. A lot of kids don't understand death. However, sometimes drugs DON'T kill you, sometimes they just destroy you and leave you crippled or comatose or half-alive forever.

You asked "What do we think of drug pushers?". Oh boy, I can see this is going to be a huge thread.

Can we include the big drug manufacturers in the catagory of drug pushers? I believe companies like Purdue Pharma and others who make oxycontin, vicodin, etc are pushers just as guilty as the pushers on the street. They know that a huge portion of their drug production is going to people like your brother (addicted to Oxy) who are using and addicted to the drugs they produce. These companies make feeble attempts to show some kind of concern, but spend much more money and effort lobbying the FDA and law makers to keep the doors open for their drugs to flow freely to the public.

So what do you think about the drug manufacturers who are the source of some of the worst problem drugs in USA history like Oxy and Vicodin?

thghtsreal,
First my sincere prayers to the OP and her family. Addicton hurts EVERYONE in the family. Maybe not physically, but emotionally. thghtsreal, when I read your post I was dumbfounded. I've read some of your other posts/threads and I must tell you that I am amazed at your opinion on pharmaceutial companies. I dont agree with your statment that the drug companies are pushing the drugs. Tha'ts nonscence!

Drug companies manufacture medicine to help cure/relieve/arrest many, many different illness' and diseases. Medication is essential for those that truly need it. Stop blaming the Drug manufacturers. Do you know how many drs wont prescribe pain meds to chronic pain patients that really need it? Post this queryi on the pain management board. You will get others opinions as well.
Addicts are the ones to blame and hold responsible when it comes to buying drugs that are not prescribed to them. It's called supply and demand unfortunatley. Nobody held a gun to an addicts head and made them buy drugs off the street. The addict isnt going to say, "Wait, I dont have a scrpt for that".
Some familys like to try and redirect the blame (if there is one) on another scource for thier family members addiction. I know family members search and try to find the answers but sometimes you just have to look within.
I speak from experience here, my name is Marilyn, I am an alcoholic and addict. I am also 2 weeks shy of being 4 months clean.

Marilyn
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I agree that drug addicts are responsible for their own addiction. My son has no one to blame but himself. I don't blame pharmaceutical companies but I also don't think they help to truly educate those who prescribe their drugs or those who take their drugs.

People go to a Dr. and are in pain and are offered Vicodin and some don't know how addicting it can be. They are going to do what their Dr. says. They don't take it for a buzz. But soon they can easily become addicted. Do you blame the pharmaceutical co. or the Dr. or the patient who didn't know the addictive powers of the drug? But if the patient knew this was a powerful drug and a certain percentage of people become addicted, at least they might make a better informed choice about taking it. And I really don't think a lot of Drs. let their patients know just how addicting it can be. I was offered vicodin recently because of severe back pain. I cannot stand for more than a few minutes. Knowing what I know now I chose the pain. A year ago I would have chosen Vicodin and maybe I'd be going through the pain of withdrawal now.

I still think education at this point is crucial. It won't solve the problem. people still drink and become alcoholics. But any education is better than none at all.
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I agree that drug addicts are responsible for their own addiction. My son has no one to blame but himself. I don't blame pharmaceutical companies but I also don't think they help to truly educate those who prescribe their drugs or those who take their drugs.

People go to a Dr. and are in pain and are offered Vicodin and some don't know how addicting it can be. They are going to do what their Dr. says. They don't take it for a buzz. But soon they can easily become addicted. Do you blame the pharmaceutical co. or the Dr. or the patient who didn't know the addictive powers of the drug? But if the patient knew this was a powerful drug and a certain percentage of people become addicted, at least they might make a better informed choice about taking it. And I really don't think a lot of Drs. let their patients know just how addicting it can be. I was offered vicodin recently because of severe back pain. I cannot stand for more than a few minutes. Knowing what I know now I chose the pain. A year ago I would have chosen Vicodin and maybe I'd be going through the pain of withdrawal now.

I still think education at this point is crucial. It won't solve the problem. people still drink and become alcoholics. But any education is better than none at all.

Your absolutey right and even those that do know how addictive it is still accept the scripts and sell LEGAL drugs ILLEGALY i am sorry but there is something morally wrong here.
I think I see both sides of this. While it is true that we addicts are ultimately to blame for our condition, there are countless cases in which pharma companies market new drugs as nonaddictive and then find out that they are. Not that I think it's deliberate. It does seem reasonable that they would add an ingredient like what is in suboxone or subutex (don't remember) that prevents its abuse. I'm surprised that the DEA doesn't require it. Though I don't know how much that would add to the cost. Also, many of these drugs are off patent, so I wonder how much marketing is really going on.

I think physicians do need to be more diligent. I know vicodin is addictive, but I have never had a physician warn me about that when prescribing. And as a chronic pain sufferer, I found I was not able to get sufficient pain management from my docs. After an excruciating procedure in the hospital, my doc sent me into recovery with 10 mg of vicodin. The nurses could not get him to approve something stronger (it was their idea to ask, not mine, when they saw me writhing).

It seems like docs swing between extremes, keeping my sister on morphine in the hospital when she was vomiting constantly and asking to be taken off, because pain hinders recovery. But then if there is any hint of the fact that you've been using this stuff for more than a few days, suddenly you are drug seeking.

I don't know what the solution is, well, other than some new good pain management drugs that are non-addictive, wouldn't that be nice!! For me, I've gotten some relief from drugs that target neuropathy, but I worry with every twinge that when my back goes out next, I'll be back on that hydro treadmill.

P.S. I looked up the info on a well-known internet drugstore about oxycontin, percocet and fentanyl. Huge addiction warning after oxycontin, nothing at all about dependence/addiction for percocet (same ingredient as oxycontin), nothing for fentanyl.
Oh dear where to start......hmmmmmm....ok, first of all to rachelr, i am truely sorry about your brother. I know where you are coming from and just how it feels as last August, almost one year ago, i lost my best friend, my sister, to drugs. She had fought the battle of drug abuse on and off for many years before she finally lost. God i miss her so much, not a day goes by that i dont pick up her picture and long to have her back just for one more minute. She had a 3 mos. old baby, a 4 and a 7 year old at the time she died. I look into her childrens eyes everyday and see there mamma. You are so lucky to still have your brother, i dont know the severity of his medical condition at this very moment, but i sincerely hope that with therapy and any medical attention that it may take that he will be back to his same self very soon, (minus his active addiction)

Now i am truelly with all the other posters on this board who does NOT put the blame on the drug manufacturers. As others on here as well as the pain management board, and myself, without the pain meds would not beable to even come close to living a normal life. Now even though i take the meds for chronic pain, i admit and am a self proclaimed addict as many others out there,I over medicate. All for different reasons. I also was on the Fentanyl patches and at the time they helped me tremendously, but i was also taking vicodin and a whole slew of other meds as well, all prescribed. I knew things were getting out of hand so i weaned myself off the patches and all the other meds except for the vicodin. I use that for my chronic pain. I do abuse it. I am not proud of it, as a matter of fact, i hate myself for it.

I believe that when a doctor prescribes an potentially addicting drug that he/she should definately have an informative discussion about this with the patient. I do also believe that prescription drug abuse should be focused on more to our children through schools, DARE programs, and the parents. However i also believe that it should be put out in the media more for adults who arent aware of this ever growing epidemic.

Now i can also tell you, keep in mind that i am not saying that i agree with it, but i can understand to a certain extent why some people choose to sell their prescription drugs. I live in a very rural area, many people are lower class to below the poverty level, as many jobs have been lost and jobs just arent very abundant here without traveling many many miles one way to work, i also keep in mind the overall economy today, many people here have medical coverage through the state, these people are going to the doctors complaining of pain (some have true chronic pain and some do not) getting pain killer prescriptions then the state pays to fill them then they take them home and are then selling them on the street to supplement their incomes.
Like i said, i am not saying that i agree as it burns my butt because my husband and i are in the higher end of income level and it is our tax paying dollars that are paying for these scripts but then i also can understand why these people are doing it, many have to just to survive and feed their children. As the sellers are not shoveling these pills down the addicts throats!

IMO addicts need to own there addiction as we have made the bad choice. We crossed that fine line. It is one of the worst things in the world. I have watched many family members struggle with addiction and you would think that i would have known better, but i guess i didnt.

So i guess what i am saying, I made the bad choice to cross that fine line of addiction, ME, ALL BY MYSELF.....nobody made me, nobody shoved the pills down my throat......so the only finger pointing blame that i will be doing is at myself!

ValleyGurl
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Oh dear where to start......hmmmmmm....ok, first of all to rachelr, i am truely sorry about your brother. I know where you are coming from and just how it feels as last August, almost one year ago, i lost my best friend, my sister, to drugs. She had fought the battle of drug abuse on and off for many years before she finally lost. God i miss her so much, not a day goes by that i dont pick up her picture and long to have her back just for one more minute. She had a 3 mos. old baby, a 4 and a 7 year old at the time she died. I look into her childrens eyes everyday and see there mamma. You are so lucky to still have your brother, i dont know the severity of his medical condition at this very moment, but i sincerely hope that with therapy and any medical attention that it may take that he will be back to his same self very soon, (minus his active addiction)

Now i am truelly with all the other posters on this board who does NOT put the blame on the drug manufacturers. As others on here as well as the pain management board, and myself, without the pain meds would not beable to even come close to living a normal life. Now even though i take the meds for chronic pain, i admit and am a self proclaimed addict as many others out there,I over medicate. All for different reasons. I also was on the Fentanyl patches and at the time they helped me tremendously, but i was also taking vicodin and a whole slew of other meds as well, all prescribed. I knew things were getting out of hand so i weaned myself off the patches and all the other meds except for the vicodin. I use that for my chronic pain. I do abuse it. I am not proud of it, as a matter of fact, i hate myself for it.

I believe that when a doctor prescribes an potentially addicting drug that he/she should definately have an informative discussion about this with the patient. I do also believe that prescription drug abuse should be focused on more to our children through schools, DARE programs, and the parents. However i also believe that it should be put out in the media more for adults who arent aware of this ever growing epidemic.

Now i can also tell you, keep in mind that i am not saying that i agree with it, but i can understand to a certain extent why some people choose to sell their prescription drugs. I live in a very rural area, many people are lower class to below the poverty level, as many jobs have been lost and jobs just arent very abundant here without traveling many many miles one way to work, i also keep in mind the overall economy today, many people here have medical coverage through the state, these people are going to the doctors complaining of pain (some have true chronic pain and some do not) getting pain killer prescriptions then the state pays to fill them then they take them home and are then selling them on the street to supplement their incomes.
Like i said, i am not saying that i agree as it burns my butt because my husband and i are in the higher end of income level and it is our tax paying dollars that are paying for these scripts but then i also can understand why these people are doing it, many have to just to survive and feed their children. As the sellers are not shoveling these pills down the addicts throats!

IMO addicts need to own there addiction as we have made the bad choice. We crossed that fine line. It is one of the worst things in the world. I have watched many family members struggle with addiction and you would think that i would have known better, but i guess i didnt.

So i guess what i am saying, I made the bad choice to cross that fine line of addiction, ME, ALL BY MYSELF.....nobody made me, nobody shoved the pills down my throat......so the only finger pointing blame that i will be doing is at myself!

ValleyGurl

I am truly sorry about your sister my heart goes out to you :angel: , but I cannot and will not ever agree with people getting drugs from doctors and selling them on the streets ,it is illegal, immoral, and people who do this should be put in jail ,just as any other dope pusher on the street would be , I know my brother took the meds on his own ,nobody force fed him these drugs but it is the people like this who sell drugs that add to this problem in society . It is sad and should be handled.