Thank you so much for the repsonse I will have about 2 weeks lyong around the house with out the use of my left arm in stiches and such so I am thinking might be a good time to be w/d,s since i dont have to go to work then and my wife can help me.I am just kinda trying to make a plan for myself so I can get off this I know it kills pain becouse after my first surgery I only needed 2-4 pain pills the day of and after that right back on my sub and motrin and I was able to live with the pain I have managed to tear up both my elbows the nerves in them from very heavy weight lifting when i was younger and football and have carpel in both hands hence 2 surgeries.I am also quiting the benzos cold turkey right now have been taking xanax 2mg everynight for along time now at least a year so that will prob cause me some problems too.But I am determined to beat these things and dont want any of it in my life anymore esspecialy now that I can see my wonderful 7yr old daughter who,s b-day is this SAT and my wonderful wife god has blessed me so much so now im going to learn to do his will and count on him for my strengh.Banker is the one who saved me on this board to begin with,so I will stay with everyone through this and help how ever I can.