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Re: Milk Thistle: Good, bad or neither? How about coffee?

Re: Milk Thistle: Good, bad or neither? How about coffee?

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Posted by thanbey on March 03, 2000 at 12:50:51:

In Reply to: Re: Milk Thistle: Good, bad or neither? How about coffee? posted by sean on March 01, 2000 at 23:49:20:

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: : : : : : Does anyone know if Milk Thistle is good or bad for Hep C sufferers?

: : : : : : Also, is coffee in any way bad for the liver? (I drink quite a few cups a day, but no smoking or alchohol).

: : : : : : Thank you,

: : : : : : Gary

: : : : : Hello Gary,

: : : : : Coffee in moderation does not seem to cause any harm. Moderation is one to three cups of caffeinated coffee per day. If yiou drink a lot more than that, you will likely have withrawal if you reduce your intake. A headache is normal. Watch out for over the counter pain meds. doctors differ on what they recommend, but ibuprofen is particularly hard on the liver. Acetomenophen in small doses is most often recommended.

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: : : : : Milk thistle (silymarin) is thought by some experts to have a protective effect on the liver. There are studies ongoing to research this. It is the only herb I am aware of that experts feel is at least benign to the liver. The effect of overdose is gastric distress, but no measureable negative effect.

: : : : : I hope this helps.

: : : : : thanbey

: : : : : [email protected]

: : : : I would like to add that there is evidence that the tincture form of milk thistle is delivered more efficiently to the liver than pill form.

: : : : I also try keep my coffee consumption to one cup per day of thew "tooth grinder" (caffinated)

: : : : Jim

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: : : Gary

: : : Coffee, even just one cup, causes liver pain for me.This may just be a personal thing. I sometimes think I might be more sensitive to substances I put into my body than others. I understand that the liver to a large extent breaks down most substances that we consume. It seems to me that people with liver problems would do there liver a favor by cutting down on consumables that mike the liver work harder ie; alcohol, caffine etc.

: : : Scot

: : Dear Scot,

: : Alchol not only is hard on your liver, but it is proven to be corrosive to a liver that is infected with HCV. It actually accelerates the progression of disease and liver damage. No amount of alcohol is safe. In combination with acetomenophen, alcohol could cause sudden liver failure. NO alcohol. NO smoking either. This is also processed through the liver and is associated with higher risk of liver cancer.

: : I hope this helps.

: : thanbey

: hello,
: smoking is obviously stupid and unhealthy, but i am not aware of any studies that suggests it aggravates hcv. in fact the same studies that confirm alcohol's damage do not see a relationship to somking
: similarly, i am unaware of any studies that link ibuprofen to hcv symptoms or recovery rates.
: i don't argue for using either nicotine or nsaids, [although ibuprofen and similar medications may be important for sufferers, especially if they have arthritis at the same tims],but i don't want to see the record confused either.
: i am new to this message board, so maybe i missed something?

: sean

Dear Sean,

I assure you that there is no confusion on this matter. I attend all of the major liver conferences and we put together training and CME (continuing medical education) programs for physicians and medical professionals all over the United States.

The studies linking liver cancer and smoking are fairly well accepted in the hepatology community. Mayo and other transplant sites will not even consider a smoker for the transplant list anymore.

The implications of smoking (any substance) and liver disease are, at this point, irrefutable from a scientific perspective.

The studies are out there. Posting studies can be problematic at the best of times anyway, for reasons I am too lazy to address right now.

If you want to have a discussion with me about studies, or about smoking, please contact me at [email protected] You may very well have the benefit of several very educated people by doing so.
But I assure you, and anyone reading this, that smoking and liver disease have a proven negative correlation.

I hope this helps.

T. Hanbey

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